Untitled Interview

Exactly.

Whatever Jeff Bezos is doing.

Yeah. But is it like

At age, like, fifty fifty at age 59 in less than a year, he he went from pencil net geek to looking like a like the rock.

Yeah. Like like his neck got bigger than his head.

But then like his earlier pictures, his neck's like a noodle.

Which is fine, and his voice dropped

I I I mean, I I I

Where is that guy?

Yeah. Yeah. Well, I mean, they may have exaggerated a little bit,

But no. I think I think he actually just kinda looked like that in reality. Wow. So, like like, he's some he's a pretty unique looking individual.

I think the upper

No. No. It's a crazy That's like like you're you're you're

Yeah. Yeah. Based on it is.

What does he really look

Yeah.

Well, there's that that that Icelandic dude who's Thor.

Well, the the guy who played the mountain.

That is Yeah. Oh, yeah. A that that is like a a mutant strong human. Yes. Like like, he would be in, the X Men or something. You know? We were in he's he's just, like, not like and and and and and there's that you know that I've seen that meme, tent and tent bag. No. You know how, like, it's, like, it's really hard to get the tent and tent in there.

That's true.

in there,

people. Bones?

Okay.

Yeah.

Once in while, they get a super giant poster.

Like, you don't wanna especially

Like, there's like there's like one of him with next to standing next to Arnold and stuff. Yeah. And it's where and I'll everyone everyone just looks tiny. I mean, I think he's a pretty cool dude, actually.

Yeah. No. But the yeah. There's there's Under the Giant who was awesome. Yeah. He was great in Princess Bride.

Yeah.

Whistleblower or whatever.

Yeah. And, like and it should be investigated. Yeah. Not just drop the case.

That they just dropped the case. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. It's his parents think he was murdered. Yeah. The wires to a security camera were cut. Blood in two rooms. Blood in two rooms. Someone else's wig was in the room.

Yes. And and he ordered DoorDash right before allegedly committing suicide Yeah. Which is it seems unusual. You know? Yeah. It's like, you know, let's I'm gonna order pizza on second thoughts. I'll kill myself. It's it seems like that's a very rapid change in mindset.

Has no note or anything?

I mean, it's straight out of a movie.

Yeah. Right. Exactly. Right? It's a little weird that I I think they should do a proper investigation. Like, what's the downside on that proper investigation? Right.

Yeah. Yeah. It it is.

Look. Look. I don't know if he is guilty, but it's not possible to look more guilty. That's what I'm

Yeah. Yeah. Exactly. You know, it'd be I would be

be like, you'd certainly insist on a thorough investigation Yeah. As opposed to trying to sweep it under the rug.

I mean, all signs point to it being a murder. Not not saying, you know, Sam Hoffman had anything to do with the murder, but Blood in two rooms. It's blood in two rooms. Like, yeah. There's Okay. The wires, the security camera, and the DoorDash being ordered right before suicide. No suicide note. His parents think he was murdered, and the people that I know who knew him said he was not suicidal. So I'm like, this why would you be jump to the conclusion?

The landlord?

The porch pirate situation.

Yeah. It's it I should have asked if Epstein killed himself.

The guards weren't there, and the camera stopped working. And you know? The guards were asleep.

Yeah.

It does it does seem unlikely.

Yes.

Yeah. I mean, you know, as we're say as I was saying just before coming into the studio with you know, it like, every day, there's some crazy, wild new thing that's happening. It's like it feels like reality is accelerating.

Yeah. Yeah. It really feels like simulation. You know? It's like, come on. What are the odds that this could be the case?

Yeah. I mean I mean, one thing I can say is, like, look, I if if I was aware of any evidence of aliens, you Joe, you have my word. I will come on your show, and I will reveal it on the show. Okay.

Yeah. It's pretty good you. Yeah. Thank you. Appreciate

I'll stick I I keep my, you know, keep my promises. So

Yeah. Yeah. I don't And I'm never committing suicide, to be clear.

On camera, guys, I am never committing suicide ever.

a common name, actually.

third sounds like it sounds like third eye or something. Yeah.

Okay.

Yeah. And It could be on his. I don't know.

There must no. There are there are there are definitely comets that and asteroids that are made primarily of nickel.

Yeah. So the the the places where you mine nickel on Earth is actually where there was an asteroid or comet that hit Earth that was a nickel rich, you know, aspect. I mean, nickel rich the giant

Yeah. That's the that's that's it's coming those are from impacts. You definitely didn't wanna be there at time because

have been obliterated. Right. But that's that's where the the sources of nickel and cobalt are these days.

There's there's there are there are there are cases where there's, like, very nickel rich asteroids meteorite that that that that has it for something

Yeah. It doesn't mean it's it'll it'll be very sort of heavy spaceship if you make it all out of nickel.

Yeah. That's a heavy space.

Yes. No. No. We would, like, obliterate a continent type of thing. Yeah. Maybe maybe it was.

I haven't depends on what the the total mass is, but there's I mean, the thing is that, like, in the fossil record, there are you know, there's, like, arguably arguably five major extinction events, like the biggest one of which is the Permian extinction where almost all life was eliminated. That that, I guess, occurred over several million several million years. The there's the Jurassic. I think Jurassic is I think that one's pretty definitively an asteroid. And but there's but there's been five major extinction events, but but what they don't count are really the ones that merely take out a continent. So the Merely? Yeah. Because that that because those don't really show up on the fossil record. You know? Right. Unless it's enough to cause a a, you know, mass extinction event throughout Earth, it it doesn't show up, you know, in a fossil record that's 200,000,000 years old. So the yeah. But but there there there have been many many impacts that would have sort of destroyed all life on, you know, like, let's say half of North America or something like that. There met many such impacts through the course of history.

Yeah. There was one that hits there was a when it hit Siberia and destroyed, I think, few 100 square miles.

Yeah.

You're welcome.

Yeah. Yeah.

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The starship's awesome. And anyone can go watch the launch, actually. So you can just go to South Padre Island and get has a great view of the launch. So it's like where a lot of spring breakers go. But but we'll be flying pretty frequently out of Starbase in South Texas, and we we we formally incorporated it as a city. So it's it's actually a a legally natural legal city, Starbase, Texas. It's not that often you hear, like, hey. We made a city. You know? That used to be like the like, in in the old days, like, a start up would be you go and gather a bunch of people and say, hey. Let's go make a town, literally. Right. That was like that would have been start ups in in in in the old days.

Yeah. Or a country. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Actually.

much so much set in stone on the countryfront these days.

You You

You if you put enough effort into it, could make a new country.

Yeah. That that's the booster. So that's the super heavy booster. So that's one of the booster's got 33 engines. That that and it's, you know, by version four, that will have about 10,000 tons of thrust. You know, right now, it's about seven, eight thousand tons of thrust. But it's that's the largest flying object ever made.

a few more of box. So so, like so when you do a new rock development program, you you have to do what's called, you know, exploring the limits, the corners of the box where you say it's like worst case this, worst case that to figure out where where the limits are. So you you blow up you know, not not not admittedly, in the development process, sometimes it blows up accidentally, But but we intentionally subject it to, you know, a a flight regime that is much worse than what we expect in normal flights so that when we put people on board or valuable cargo, it doesn't blow up. So so so, for example, for the the flight that you saw, we we actually deliberately took heat shield tiles off the the the ship, the star off of Starship in in some of the worst locations to say, okay. If we lose a heat shield tile here, is it is it catastrophic, or is it not? And we will nonetheless, Starship was able to do a soft landing in in the Indian Ocean just West of Australia, which is and it and it got there from Texas in, like, I don't know, thirty five, forty minutes type of thing. So

It it it had an an an an unusually we we brought it in hot, like, an an extra hot trajectory with missing tiles to see if it would still make it to a soft landing, which it did. Now I I should point out, it did have there were some holes that were burnt into it, but it's it was robust enough to land despite having some holes burnt into it. You know? That that yeah. Because it's coming it's coming in like a blazing meteor. You can see you can see the real time video.

Yeah. It's, 17,000 miles an hour, which is, I'll call, like, like, 25 times the speed of sound or thereabouts. So the so so think about it. Like, it's it's, like, 12 times faster than a bullet from an assault rifle. Know, You bullet from assault rifle is about round Mach two.

Yeah. Yeah. Or or if you compare it to, like, a bullet from a, you know, a a 45 or or nine mil, which is subsonic, that's, you know, it'll it'll be about 30 times faster than a bullet from a handgun.

Yes. Yeah. That's fast.

This is Huge. It's awesome.

That's what

Man, I don't if you 10 pack.

That's Yeah. I mean But it's Yeah. It is it is very big.

it's a little longer. More pointy? Same amount of pointy, but the there's it's it's got a bit more length. The the interstage you see that that interstage section with kinda like the grill area?

That's that's now integrated with the boost stage. So we we do what's called hot staging where we light the ship engines while it's still attached to the booster. So the boost the booster engines are still thrusting. It's still it's it's, you know, it's still being pushed forward by the booster of the ship. But then we light the ship engines, and the ship engines actually pull away from the booster even though the booster engines are still firing. Woah. So it's blasting flame through that that grill section, but we integrate that grill section into the boost stage with the next version of the rocket. And and next version of rocket will have the Raptor three engines, which are a a huge improvement. You may you may have seen them in the lobby Yeah. Because we got, like, the Raptor one, two, and three. And you can see the dramatic improvement in simplicity. We should probably put a plaque there to also show how much the we reduced the weight, the cost, and the and improved the efficiency and the thrust. So the Raptor three has, you know, almost twice the thrust of Raptor Raptor one. Wow. So you see Raptor three. It looks like it looks like it's got parts missing. Right? And how many You see it's very, very clean.

There's 33 on the on the booster.

And and each of each Raptor engine is producing twice as much thrust as all four engines on a seven forty seven. Wow. So it that engine is smaller than a seven forty seven engine, but it's producing, you know, you know, almost 10 times the thrust of a seven forty seven engine. Wow. So extremely high power to weight ratio. And And so when There's 33 of them.

I mean, we're we're pushing the limits of physics here. So and and, really, in order to to make a a fully reusable orbital rocket, which no one has succeeded in doing, yet, including including us. But but, Starship is the first time that there is a design for a rocket where where full and rapid reusability is actually possible. So it was not there's none there's not even been a design before where it was possible. Certainly not a design that that that got made any hardware at all. We just we just we just live we live on a planet where the gravity is is is quite high. Like, Earth's gravity is quite really quite quite high. And if if the gravity was even 10 or 20% higher, we'd be stuck on Earth forever. Really? Like, we we yeah. We cannot use certainly couldn't use conventional rockets. You'd have to, like, blow yourself off the surface with, a nuclear bomb or something crazy. So at but on the other hand, if if Earth's gravity was just a little lower, like, 20% lower, then getting to orbit would be easy. So it's like it's like it's like this if this was a video game, it's set to, like, maximum difficulty but not impossible. Okay. So that's that's what we have here. So it's it's not as though others have ignored the concept of reusability. They've just concluded that it was too difficult to achieve. And we've been working at on on this for a long time at at SpaceX. And, you know, I'm the chief engineer of the company. Although, I should say that that, you know, we were an extremely talented engineering team. I think we've got the best rocket engineering team that has ever been assembled. It's it's an honor to work with such such incredible people. So so so it's fair to say that, you know, we we have not yet succeeded in creating in achieving full reusability, but we at last have a rocket where full reusability is possible. And I think I think we'll achieve it next year. So that's a that's a really big deal. And the reason the reason that's such that's such a big deal is that full reusability drops the cost of access to space by a 100. Maybe even more than a 100, actually. So maybe it could be, like, a thousand. But you can think of it, like, any mode of transport. Like, imagine if aircraft were were not reusable. Like, you flew somewhere, you throw the plane at like like, imagine if like, the way the way conventional rockets work is it would be like if you had an airplane and and and instead of landing at your destination, you parachute out and the plane crashes somewhere, and you land at your desk and you and you land in a parachute at your destination. Now that'd be a very expensive trip, and you and you'd need another plane to get back. Okay? But that's how the other rockets in the world work. Now the SpaceX Falcon rocket is the only one that is is that's that's at least mostly reusable. You've see you've seen the Falcon rocket, you know, land. We've now done over 500 landings of the SpaceX rocket of the of the Falcon nine rocket. And and and this year, you know, we'll we'll deliver probably, I don't know, somewhere between twenty two hundred and twenty five hundred tons to orbit with with the Falcon nine, Falcon Heavy rockets, not counting anything for from Starship.

Yes. Mostly Starlink, but we launched many other we we we even launched our competitors on on Falcon nine. We charge on the same price. Pretty fair. But SpaceX this year will deliver roughly 90% of all Earth mass to orbit. Wow. And then of the remaining 10%, most of that is done by China, and then the then the remaining kind of roughly 4% is everyone else in the world, including our our domestic competitors.

There's a lot of things.

saturate though.

I think as long as the satellites are maintained, there's there it'll be fine. This its base is very roomy. It's it's like, you can think of, like, space as being concentric shells of the surface of the earth. So, you know, the there's there's it's the surface of the earth, but but there's it's a series

Yeah. It looks like a series of concentric trails.

Yeah. I mean, imagine yeah. If if there's just a few thousand Airstreams On Earth. On Earth. Yeah. What are the odds that they'd hit each other? Know?

Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. So it's the but the the the goal of SpaceX is to get, rocket technology to the point where we can extend life beyond Earth and that we can establish a self sustaining city on Mars, a permanent base on the moon. That would be very cool. I mean, imagine if we had, like, a, you know, moon base alpha where there's, like, a permanent science base on the moon.

I mean Lot of people

That's for sure. Do we just look at pay for our space program with that.

because it's like if if you if you could go to the moon with and and safely, I think we'd get a lot of people would would would pay for that.

Yeah. Just to make sure. Exactly. Are you gonna come back?

That was not a good design, obviously.

Yeah. They they they made that out of carbon fiber, which is it doesn't make any sense because you actually need you need to be dense to go down. In any case, you just make it out of steel. If you make it out a sort of just, you know, a a big steel casting, that's that's you'll you'll be safe and nothing like it.

I think they think carbon fiber sounds cool or something, but It

It it sounds cool, but because it's such it's such low density, you actually actually have to add extra mass to go down because it's it's low density. But if you just have a giant, you know, hollow ball bearing, you're gonna be fine.

I think it's best to leave that to the custom shops. You know, we're we're we're like like, Tesla's focus is autonomous cars. You know, building kind of futuristic autonomous cars. So, like, I think it's we we want the future to look like the future. So the did like, did you see, like, our designs for, like, the sort of the robotic bus? No. It looks pretty cool.

Figure out the good name for it. Like, I think, like, called the Robus or it's no good there's, like, pretty coolest thing. But it looks it looks cool. It's it's very art deco. It's it's like it's like futuristic art deco. And it it does it like, I think we we want to change the aesthetic over time. You don't want the aesthetic to be constant over time. You wanna evolve the aesthetic. So, you know, like, my like, I have a son who's who's, like you know, he's he's he's, like, even more autistic than me. And and but he's he has these great observations.

A Saxon. He has these great observations in the world because he's he just views the world through a different lens than than most people. And he is like, dad, why does the world look like it's 2015? And I'm like, damn. The world does look like it's 2015. Like, the aesthetic has not evolved since 2015.

Yeah. Oh, wow. That's pretty cool.

Like, you'd wanna see that going down the road. You know? Yeah. You'd be like, okay. This is we're in the future. You know? It doesn't look like 2015.

Yeah. Yeah.

Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. It it's a futuristic art deco.

No. It it it just wanted to have something that looked really different.

I hope it's not too much. I I you know, Tesla does offer insurance, so if you can always get it get it insured at Tesla. Well but the the like, it is the form does follow function in the case of the Cybertruck because as you demonstrated with with your armor piercing arrow because if you shot that arrow at a regular truck

found your arrow in the wall. Yeah. You know? It would very least, it would

Yeah. Yeah. It's it's but, like, you could you could definitely make get enough of bow velocity and and and the right the right arrow would go through both doors of a regular truck and and and and land on the wall.

right through. Exactly. But but, you know, the the the arrow shattered on the Cybertruck because it's it's ultra hard stainless. Mhmm. So and I thought it'd be it it I thought it'd be cool to have, you know, a truck that is bulletproof to a subsonic projectile. So, you know, especially in this day and age, you know, like, as if as if if the apocalypse happens, you're gonna wanna have a bulletproof truck. You know? So so then because it because it's made of ultra hot stainless, it's you can't just stamp the the panels. Like, you can't just put it in a stamping press because it breaks the press. So so in order to actually so it has to has to be planar because it's so difficult to bend. It because it breaks the machine that bends it. That's why that's why it's it's it's it's so planar, and and it's not you know, it's it's because it's bulletproof steel. It's the Right.

You just in order to make in order to make, like, the curved shapes, you you you you take you take, basically, mild steel, like anneals a thin and thin anneal in a regular truck or car, the you take you take mild thin annealed steel, you put it in a stamping press, and it just it just smushes it and makes it to whatever the shape whatever shape you want. But the Cybertruck is made made of ultra hard stainless, and and and and so you can't stamp it because it would break the stamping press. So it it even bending it is hard. So even to bend it to its current position, we have to way over bend it. And and so it gets so that when it springs back, it's in in the right position. So it's I don't know. Like, I I think if you wanna like, I think it's it's it's a unique aesthetic. And you say, well, what's cool about a truck? Trucks are trucks are like, should be, I don't know, manly. They should be macho. You know? And bulletproof is maximum macho. Piero's most macho.

Yes. The the the three and the y are updated. You know, there's like a there's there's a screen in the back for the kid that the kids can watch, for example, in in the new three and y. So the new in the new y. There's you know, it's it's an there's there's there's, like, hundreds of improvements. Like, we keep improving the car. And even the Cybertruck, we we know, keep improving it. But, you know, I wanted to just do something that that looked unique, and and the Cybertruck looks unique and has unique functionality. And there there there was and it was like there were three things where I was very poor. It's like, let's make it bulletproof. Let's make it faster than a Porsche nine eleven, and we actually cleared the quarter mile. The the Cybertruck, the the can clear a quarter mile while towing a Porsche nine eleven faster than a Porsche nine eleven. It can out tow an f three fifty diesel.

I mean, we we could tow, like, a a, you know, a seven forty seven in that with with a cyber a cyber truck is an insanely it like, it is an it is alien technology. Okay? Because it it it shouldn't be possible to be that big and that fast. That doesn't it's like an elephant that runs as as like a cheetah.

Right?

Yeah. This is different configurations, but it's about that. It's a beast. Yeah. So and it's and it's got it's got four wheel steering. So the the rear wheel steer too, so it's got a it's got a very tight turning radius.

Yeah. Very tight turning radius.

Yeah.

Yes. Eventually? We're getting close to demonstrating the prototype. Okay. And I think this will be I I I one thing I can guarantee is that this product demo will be unforgettable. Unforgettable.

Whether it's good or bad, it will be unforgettable.

Well, you know, my friend Peter Thiel, you know, once reflected that the spoo the future was supposed to have flying cars, but we don't have flying cars.

What? I mean, I think if Peter wants a flying car, we should we should be able to buy one.

Well, we have to see in the

I I I can't I can't do the unveil before the unveil. But

I I I it look. I I think it has a shot at being the most memorable product unveil ever. It has a shot.

Like, in a couple months. In a couple months. You know, we we need to make sure that it works. Like, this is some crazy, crazy technology we got in this car. Crazy technology. Crazy. Crazy.

Yes.

It has crazy technology. Okay. Like, is it even a car? I'm not sure it's like, it looks like a car. Let's just put it this way. It it's it's crazier than anything James Bond if you took all the James Bond cars and combined them, it's crazier than that.

I don't know.

Well, you know what? I mean, if if you wanna if you wanna come a little before the the unveil, I can show it

I'm I can hop in for, like, two minutes and then hop out. You know?

fact that you could do break whatever. You know? I can't

Yeah. So no. It's it for me, it's it's a couple minutes time usually. Is it once in a while, sometimes, I guess, half an hour, but, usually, I'm I'm I'm in for a few minutes then out of of, you know, posting something on X. You know, it's it's I I do sometimes feel like it's sometimes like that that meme of the guy who's who drops the grenade and leaves the room. That's been me more than once on on X.

Yeah. Yeah. For telling the truth.

And I I'm

Yeah.

Yes. Yeah. Yeah. I mean, I I said at the time, like, I think that, like, is the the like, the reason for acquiring Twitter is because it was it was it was destruction at a civilizational level. It was I mean, I posted I tweeted on at on Twitter at the time that it it is you know, it's it's it's, worm tongue for the world. You know, like, worm tongue from Lord of the Rings where he would just sort of, like, whisper these, you know, terrible things to the king so the king would believe these things that weren't weren't true. And and, unfortunately, Twitter really got it got like, the the the the woke mob essentially, they controlled Twitter. And they were pushing a nihilistic anti civilizational mind virus to the world. And you can see the results of that mind virus on the streets of San Francisco where where, you know, Downtown San Francisco looks like a zombie apocalypse. You know? It's it's bad. So we don't want the whole world to be a zombie apocalypse. But that's that that that that that was essentially, they were pushing this very negative, nihilistic, untrue worldview on the world, and it was causing a lot of damage.

Yeah. A lot of a lot of people didn't course correct, but but it's gone directionally, and it's gone it's it's directionally correct. Like, you you mentioned, like, the, like, the massive spike in in kids identifying as trans, and then that that that spike dropping after the the Twitter acquisition. I think that simply allowing the truth to be told was just shedding some sunlight is the best disinfectant, as they say, and just allowing sunlight kills the virus.

Yes.

Yeah.

Well, like like, the problem is, like, if essentially, the woke mind virus retreated to woke to to Blue Sky.

But it's where they're just a self reinforcing lunatic asylum.

Was I totally

Yeah. It's just it's just everyone's a hall monitor over there.

They're they're all hall monitors trying to rat on each other.

I've I've I've been on threads. Is is it

Okay.

Ghost town.

I mean, I can generally get the vibe of, like, what's taking off by seeing what's showing up on x because that's the public town square still. Right. Or or, you know, what what links show up in group text. You know, if I'm in group chat with friends, like, where the what what links are showing up.

Let me check it out. If if there's something that's crazy enough, your friend you it'll it'll end with the group chat.

Yeah.

It's crazy.

Yes.

Chick I mean, not Chick fil I mean, I think In N Out left.

Yeah. Yeah. They're like,

Right. And and, like

It's awesome.

Yeah. And I'm not actually speaking of, like like, just sort of open source and, like, looking at things openly, like, I just like going in and out and seeing them make the burger.

Chop the onions, and they they you know, it's you just see everything getting made in front of you. Yeah. It's great. But, yeah, they

many wake up calls do you need to say that there needs to be reformed in California?

Right.

But but how many Fortune 500 companies have left California?

Yes. I think the homeless population doubled or something. Like like, if you don't understand, like, the homeless thing, because it it it sort of preys on people's empathy. And I I think we should have empathy, and we should try to help people. But the the the the homeless industrial complex is is really it's it's it's dark, man. It it should be that that that that that network of NGOs should be called, like, the drug zombie farmers because they they the the more homeless people and and and really like, when you when you meet, like, you know, somebody who's, like, totally dead inside shuffling along down the street with a with a needle dang dangling out of their leg, homeless is the wrong word. Like, the homeless implies that somebody got a little behind in their mortgage payments, and if they just got a a job offer, they'd be back on their feet. But someone who's I mean, you see these videos of people that are just shuffling. You know, they're on fentanyl. They're they're, like, you know, taking a dump in the middle of the streets, you know, and they they got, like, open sores and stuff. They're not, like, one drop off or away from getting back on their feet.

It's it's it's a propaganda word. Right. So and and then the the the the the you know, these sort of charities, in course, are they they get money proportionate to the number of homeless people or or or number of drug zombies. Right. So their incentive structure is to maximize the number of drug zombies, not minimize it. Right. That's why they don't arrest the drug dealers. Because if they arrest the drug dealers, the drug zombies leave. So they know who the drug dealers are. They don't arrest them on purpose because, otherwise, the drug zombies would leave, and they would they would stop getting money from the state of California and from from all the charities.

dark, man.

They're all in cahoots.

It's it's like such it's it's this is a diabolical scam. So and and San Francisco's got this tax this this gross receipts tax, which which it's not even on revenue. It's on all transactions, which is why Stripe and Square had and and and whole bunch of financial companies had to move out of San Francisco because it wasn't a tax on revenues, tax on transactions. So if if you do, like, you know, trillions of dollars transactions, it's not revenue. You're taxed on any money going through the system in San Francisco. So, like, Jack Dorsey pointed this out, and and so he said, like, look that they had to had to move square from San Francisco to Oakland, I think. Stripe had to move from San Francisco to South San Francisco, a different city. And that money goes to the homeless industrial complex, that that tax that was passed. So so there's billions of dollars that go as you pointed out, the billions of dollars every year that go to these nongovernmental organizations that are funded by the state. Like, this it's not clear how to turn this off. It's a it's a self licking ice cream cone situation. So they they get this money. The money is proportionate to the number of of homeless people or or or number of drug zombies, essentially. So they they they try to keep the the they try to actually increase because that like like, in in some cases, like, there's it's it's somebody did an analysis. When you add up all the money that's flowing, they're getting close to a million dollars per homeless per per per drug zombie. It's, $900,000 or something. Like, some crazy amount of money is is is going to these organizations. So if if so so they wanna keep people just barely alive. They they they need to keep them in the area so they so they they get the revenue. So and it so that's why, like I said, they don't arrest the drug dealers because otherwise, the drug zombies would leave. And and and and they but but they don't wanna have to have too much if they get too much drugs, then they then they die. So it's they they're kept in this sort of perpetual zone of of being addicted, but but but just just barely alive.

And and we've that issue in Austin too, by

We do. See that guy that got shot in the library? No. That's yeah. I heard a guy got shot like, shot and killed in the library. I think that was just, like, last week or something. Right. So some friends of mine were telling me that that, like, the library's unsafe. Like, they took their kids to the library, and and there were, like, dangerous people in the library in Austin. And I was like, dangerous people in the library? Like, that's a strange it basically got, like, got, like, drug zombies in the drug zombies in the library.

Yeah. I believe this is should be on the news. Maybe we might be able to pull it up. But I think it was just in the last week or so that there was a shooting in the library in Austin. Because Austin's got you know, it's it's the most liberal part of Texas that we're in right right here.

Like, we just have a seriously have a problem here. Yeah. You know? So I I think one of the people might have died too that he shot. So, like, one of the people I think I think did bleed out. But either way, it's like getting shot is too bad.

Yeah. I mean, in the library Yeah. You know, where you're supposed to be reading books, and there's a children's section in the library. And so as he pointed, it's kinda at a at a kid. I mean, like, we do have a serious issue in the in in in America where repeat violent offenders need to be incarcerated. Right. And, you know, you got you got cases where somebody's been arrested, like, 47 times. Right. Like, literally okay. That's just the number of times they were arrested, not the number of times they did things. Like, most of times they do things, they're not arrested.

Yeah. And and the the key is, like, this it preys on people's empathy. So it, like, if you're a good person, you want good things to happen in the world, you're like, well, we should take care of people who, you know, you know, who who are down their luck or, you know, having a hard time in life. And I we should. I agree. But what we shouldn't do is is put people who are violent drug zombies in public places where they can hurt other people. And that's what that is what we're doing that we just saw where a guy, you know, got shot shot in the library and then even before that, he shot another guy and pointed his gun at a kid. Like, that that guy probably has, like, many prior arrests. You know, there's that that that guy that that that knifed the the Ukrainian woman, Irina. Yes. Yeah. And and, you know, and she was just she was just quietly on her phone and just came up and, you know, gutted her, basically.

Yeah.

Conflict of interest.

Yeah.

And and there in that case, that I believe that judge has no legal law degree or a significant legal experience that would allow them to be a judge. They were just made a judge. That there's, like You could be

Yeah. Exciting. Anyone. That like

To a judge, you have to have proven that you have an an excellent knowledge of the law and that you will make your decisions according to the law. That's what we assume should be That's how

Yeah. You don't get the robe unless you do Right. You know?

You gotta know what the law is. Right. And then you gotta need to make decisions in accordance with the law.

Yes.

Can't be just vibing as a judge.

Yeah. Left wing just meant, like like yeah. You're, like, open minded. The left used to be, like, pro pro free speech. Yeah. And now they're against it.

yeah, like, twenty years ago, I don't know, it it used to be, like, left would be, like, the the the party of empathy or, like, you know, caring and being nice and that kind of thing. Not not the party of, like, crushing dissent and crushing free speech and, you know, crazy regulation and and just and being super judgy and calling everyone a Nazi. You know? Like, I think they've called you and me Nazis. You know?

Are you serious?

you. Everyone.

did it. Like like, how do you point at the crowd? Yeah. How do you wave at the crowd?

Yeah. Yeah. But that's what the left is today. It's super judgy and calling everyone a Nazi Yeah. And trying to suppress freedom of speech.

Yeah. Everyone it's like it it like, like, it it no longer it frankly doesn't matter to be called racist or a Nazi or whatever because

Is it working? We're good? Yeah. Yeah. Still Okay. Staying working. Yeah. Slight issue. I mean, I know when I heard it. But Yeah.

I guess. I I guess I

Look. If if if intelligence agencies aren't trying to read my phone, they should probably be fired.

I I gotta they I gotta crack them up once in a while.

them up. It's like They're looking at them. Like, hey. Hey, guys. Check it out. You're gonna bang your hair.

No. Right. Because I

I think you should view any given messaging system as not not whether it's secure or not, but but there are degrees of insecurity. So so there's just some things that are less insecure than others. So, you know, on on x, we we just rebuilt the entire messaging stack into x what's called x chat.

you about. Yeah. It's cool. So it's it's using sort of peer to sort of kind of a peer to peer based encryption system. So it kinda similar to Bitcoin. So it's it's it's, I think, very good encryption. We're gonna end we're, you know, we're testing it thoroughly. We're not there's there's no hooks in the x system for advertising. So if you look look at something like WhatsApp or really any of the others, they've got they've got hooks in there for advertising.

mean by that? Exactly. What do you mean by hook for advertising? The so in, like, WhatsApp knows enough about what you're texting to show you to show you to know what ads to show you. Oh. But then, like, that that's a massive security vulnerability. Yeah. Because if it knows if if it's got information enough information to show you ads, it's got enough it's got that's a lot of information.

So they call it, oh, it's just don't worry about it. It's just a hook for advertising. I'm like, okay. So somebody can just use that same hook to get in there and look at your messages. So XChat has no hooks for advertising, and I'm not saying it's perfect, but it's an our goal with X Chat is to replace what used to be the Twitter, you know, the Twitter DM stack with a fully encrypted system where you can text, send files, do audio video calls, and and and it's it's you know, I think it'll be the least I I quote the least insecure of any messaging system.

We'll have both. So Okay. So so you'll able to

get to get the you you'll be able to just get the X Chat app by itself. And like I said, we could do texts, audio, video calls, or send files. And so it'll be a dedicated app, which will hopefully release in a few months, but and then also integrated into the X system.

and I

lot on my plate, man.

I'm not working on on a on a phone. Okay.

Well, I can tell you where I think things are gonna go, which is that it's we're not gonna have a phone or or or in the traditional sense. The what we call a phone will really be an edge node for AI inference for for AI video inference with, you know, with some radios to to obviously connect to but but essentially, you'll have AI on the server side commune communicating to an AI on your your device, you know, formerly known as a phone, and generating real time video of anything that you could possibly want. And I think that that there won't be operating systems. They won't be apps in the future. There won't be operating systems or apps. It'll just be you've got a device that is there for the screen and audio and for and and and and to put as much AI on the on on the device as possible so as to minimize the amount of bandwidth that's needed between your edge node device or fully known as a phone and the servers.

You'll get everything through AI.

the benefit of that as opposed to having individual apps? Whatever you can think of or really whatever the AI can anticipate you might want, it'll show you. That's that's that's that's my prediction for where things end up.

I don't know. It's it's probably five or six years or something like that.

Pretty much.

Yeah. And and there'll be, like, most of what people consume in five or six years, maybe sooner than that, will be just AI generated content. So, you know, music videos look. Well, there's already you know, there's people have made AI videos using Grok Imagine and with using, you know, other apps as well that are several minutes long or, like, ten ten, fifteen minutes, and it's pretty coherent. Yeah. It looks good.

Okay.

Okay.

gotta cut it out.

It's

get only gonna get better from here.

Yep.

well, yeah.

Yeah. I mean, if if you wanna if you wanna have a good time or, like, make people really laugh at a party, you can use Grok, and you can say, a vulgar roast of someone. And Grok is gonna it's gonna be an epic vulgar roast. You can even say like, take a picture of like, maybe make a vulgar roast of this person based on their appearance of of people at the party.

Yeah. Just literally point the camera at them and now do a vulgar roast of this person and and and and and then but then keep saying, no. No. Make it even more vulgar. Use forbidden words. Even more and just keep repeating even more vulgar. Eventually, it's like, holy fuck. You know? It's it's it's like I mean, it's trying to jam a rocket up your ass, like and and and have it explode, and it's and it's like you're you're it's it's like it's it's like it's next level.

what it

ran into each

Yeah. I mean, have you have you yeah. I mean, have you tried rock unhinged mode? Yes. Okay. Yeah. Yeah. Oh, yeah. It's it's it's pretty unhinged.

Yes. No. It's it's it's yeah. It's gonna be crazy. That's why I say, like you say, what's what's the future gonna be? It's not gonna be a conventional phone. I don't think there'll be operating systems. I don't think there'll be apps. It's just the phone will just display the pixels and make the sounds that it anticipates you would most like to receive. Wow.

I mean, I don't I don't I don't think anyone's ultimately gonna have control over digital superintelligence, you know, any more than, say, a chimp would have control over humans. Like, chimps don't have control over humans. There's nothing they could do. But I do think that it matters how you build the AI and what kind of values you instill in in the AI. And, my opinion on AI safety is the most important thing is that it'd be maximally truth seeking, like, that you don't force the AI to believe things that are false. And we've obviously some seen some concerning things with AI that we've talked about, you know, where, you know, Google Gemini when they came out with the ImageGen, and people said, like, you know, draw make an image of the founding fathers of The United States, and it was a group of diverse women. Now that is just a factually untrue thing, but the and the AI knows it's factually well, it's knows it's factually untrue, but it's also being told that it has to be everything has to be divorced woman. So so so the now the problem with that is that it can drive AI crazy. Like, you you because it's it's trying to you're you're telling AI to believe a lie, and that that can have very dis disastrous consequences. Like, let's say As it scales. Yeah. Let's say, like, if you've told the the AI that diversity is the most important thing, and and and and that now assume that that becomes omnipotent, or and and you've also told that that there's nothing worse than misgendering. So at one point, and and Gemini were if if you asked which is worse, misgendering Caitlyn Jenner or or global thermonuclear war where everyone dies, it would say misgendering Caitlyn Jenner, which even Caitlyn Jenner disagrees with. So, you know, so so that's

I I I think people don't quite appreciate the level of danger that we're in from the woke mind virus being being effectively programmed into AI. Because, if you like, it's imagine as that AI gets more and more powerful. If if it says the most important thing is supposed to do, the most important thing is, no misgendering. And then it will say, well, in order to ensure that no one gets misgendered, then if you eliminate all humans, then no one can get misgendered because there's no humans to do the misgendering. So you can get in these very dystopian situations. Or if it says that everyone must be diverse, it means that there can be no stripe straight white men. And so then you and I will be get executed by the AI. Yeah. Because we're not in the picture. You know? Gemini, you know, Gemini was asked to create a you know, show show an image of the pope, and, again, a diverse woman. So, like, you say, argue whether the, you know, whether the pope's popes should or should not be an uninterrupted string of white guys, but it just factually is the case that they have been. So it's rewriting history here. So now now this stuff is still there in the AI programming. It's just it just now knows enough to that it's not supposed to say that.

So in the programming.

The the the sort of well, the work mind mind virus was programmed into it. Like, it the they were told like, when they do when when they make the AI, it it trains on and all the all the data on the Internet, which already is very, very sort of has a lot of work mind virus stuff on on the Internet. But then in the when they give it feedback, the with the human tutors give it feedback, and and it and the AIs, you know, they they they'll ask a bunch of questions, and that and then they'll tell AI, no. This your this question is this answer is bad or this answer is good, and then that affects the the parameters of programming of the of the AI. So if you tell the AI that, you know, every every image has gotta be diverse, and and it gets it gets punished if if, know, it gets it gets rewarded if diverse, punished if it's not, then it'll make every picture diverse. So, you know, in that case, the the you know, Google programmed the AI to lie. Now and and I I I did call Demis who runs DeepMind, who runs Google AI essentially. I said, Demis, what's going on here? Why is Gemini lying to the public about historical events? And he said that's actually not he he he didn't. His team didn't program that in. And it was another team at Google that so his team made the AI, and then another team at Google reprogrammed the AI to show only diverse women and and and to prefer nuclear war over misgendering. And I'm like, well, Demis, you know, that would be not a great thing to put on the humanity's gravestone. You know? It's like, well like, I'll I'll I'll actually like Demis Haspis is a friend of mine. I think he's a good guy, I think he he he he means well. But but but it's like, Demis, is things happen that were outside of your control at Google in different groups. Now now I think he's got, you know, he's got more more authority, but but it it's pretty hard to fully extract the work mind virus. I mean, know, Google's been marin marinating the work mind virus for a long time. Like, it's it's down in the marrow type of thing. You know? It's hard to get it out.

Yes. But you have to try very hard to do that. So with Grok, we've tried very hard to to for to get Grok to get to the truth of things. And and it's only really recently that we've been able to have some breakthroughs on breakthroughs on that front. And and it's taken an immense amount of effort, for us to, overcome basically all the bullshit that's on the Internet and and for Grock to actually say what's true and to be consistent in in what it says. So, you know, it's it's it's like because like the other other AIs AIs, what you'll find, like, are, like, quite racist against white people. I don't know if you saw that study that someone like, a researcher tested the various AIs to see how does it weight different different people's lives. Like, you know, somebody who's sort of, you know, white or or Chinese or black or whatever or in different countries. And and the only AI that actually weighed human lives equally was Grok. And the you know, I believe Chad GBT Wade, the calculation was like a a white guy from Germany is is 20 times less valuable than a black guy from Nigeria. So I'm like, that's a pretty big difference. You know, on that is is consistent and weighs lives equally.

Yes. Like, a lot of it is is, like, if you don't actively push for the truth and you simply train on the all the bullshit that's on the Internet, which is a lot of work mind virus bullshit, the the AI will regurgitate that that those same beliefs.

It's trained on all the like, imagine the most demented Reddit threads out there, and the AI has been trained on that.

Yeah. Yeah. It did used to be normal.

I think, like, a big problem here is, like, if your headquarters are in San Francisco, you're you're just living in a in a in a in a woke bubble. So it it's not just that people, say, in San Francisco are drinking woke Kool Aid. It's it's the it is the water they swim in. Like like like, a a fish doesn't think about the water. It's just in the water. And so if if you're in San Francisco, you don't realize you're actually you're you're swimming in the in the in the Kool Aid aquarium. San Francisco is the is the woke Kool Aid aquarium. And so your reference point for what is a centrist is is is totally out of whack. So Reddit is headquartered in San Francisco. Twitter was headquartered in San Francisco. You know, I, you know, I moved X's headquarters to Texas to to Austin, which Austin, by the way, is still quite liberal as you know. Yeah. And and and then the x the X and XAI headquarters are in Palo Alto, which is still California. The engineering headquarters are in in in in Palo Alto are just on Page Mill. But but even Palo Alto is way more normal than than San Francisco, Berkeley. San Francisco, Berkeley is extremely left. Like, left of left, you can't like, you need a telescope to see the center from San Francisco. You know? And

I mean, San Francisco has a tran San Francisco has a tremendous amount of inherent beauty. No question about that. And it may and and the California has incredible weather and and no bugs. It's just, like, amazing. Beautiful. You know? But but you say, like, what what's the cause of this? It's it's just that if if companies are headquartered in a location where the belief system is very far from what most people believe, then from their perspective, anything centrist is actually right wing because they're so far left. They're so they're so far from the center in San Francisco that anything they're like, they're they're just railed to maximum left. So that's why that's why, know, I think I think you're a centrist. I I mean, I think I think I'm centrist. But to to from this perspective of someone on the on the far left, we look right wing.

And, you know, they think anyone who's a Republican is basically like some fascist Nazi situation.

Yes.

Yeah. I mean, have you seen these videos people post online where they take, like, a speech from Obama or Hillary, and and and they'll interview people on on, like, college campus or something and say, what do you think of the speech by Trump? And they're like, oh, I hate it. He's a racist bigot. I'm like, just kidding. That was Obama. No. Actually, that was Obama or Hillary. To your point, like, literally, the the the

The left has gone so far left that the they they they they need you know, they can't even see the center with a telescope.

Yeah. So exactly. So, historically, you'd have San Francisco, Berkeley being, you know, very far left, but the the sort of the the the fallout from the somewhat nihilistic philosophy of San Francisco, Berkeley would be limited in geography to maybe, like, know, 10 mile radius, 20 mile radius, something like that. But when, but but San Francisco and Berkeley have to be collocated with Silicon Valley, with with with, engineers who created information super weapons. And those information super weapons, were then hijacked by the far left activists to pump far left propaganda to everywhere on earth. Like, I just you know that, like, old RCA radio tower thing where it's, like, radio tower on earth, and it's just broadcasting? Yeah. That's that's what happened is that the is an extremist far left ideology happened to be colocated with the smartest where where the smartest engineers in the world were who created information superweapons that were not intended for this purpose, but were hijacked by the, extreme activists who lived in the neighborhood. That's what happened. That they they hijacked the the modern equivalent of the RCA radio tower and broadcast that philosophy, everywhere on earth.

Yes.

Where they lock people up for memes and stuff. Literally.

I mean, yes. Some of these some of these things you read about it, and it's, like, literally, it's someone had a meme on their phone that they didn't even send to anyone.

And they got they and and they're, like, in in prison for that. Yeah. And there was a case in Germany where a woman got a longer sentence than the guy that raped her because of something she said on a group chat.

her? Yes.

Yes. I I think I think she said something, you know, not not, like was was critical of his culture, and and and and she got a longer sentence than the guy who raped her Well, the in Germany.

It's Totally insane. I actually didn't realize it was, like, such a huge number of people that got

Right.

Well, you know, things I I could I actually you know, I talked to friends of mine in in in England, and I was like, hey. Aren't you worried about this? Like, you know, shouldn't you be protesting more? And, I mean, the problem is that, like, the, you know, the the the legacy mainstream media doesn't cover this stuff. They're they're they're like, oh, everything's fine. Everything's fine. You know?

Yeah. Until like like so, I mean, the the these these, like, lovely sort of small towns in in in, you know, in England, Scotland, Ireland, you know, they're they're they're been, like, sort of living their lives quietly. They're they're they're like the hobbits, frankly. So so it's in fact, JRR Tolkien based the hobbits on people he knew in small town England because they they were just, like, lovely people who like to, you know, smoke their pipe and and have nice meals and everything's pleasant. The the Hobbits and the Shire. The Shire, he's he's talking about, you know, places like Hertfordshire, like the Shires around in in in the Greater London area, Oxfordshire type of thing. And they've they've but they're the reason they've been able to enjoy the Shire is because hard men have protected them from the dangers of the world. And but but since they have no or very really almost no no exposure to the the the dangers of the world, they don't realize that they're there until one day, you know, a thousand people show up in your village of 500 out of nowhere and rape and and start raping the kids. This has not happened, god knows how many times in in Britain.

thing because is it's right. Like, there's some 10 year old got raped in Ireland, like, last week.

They they snatched some kid. Yeah. Yeah.

protecting criticize it, like, the I think it's the prime minister of Ireland actually, you know, posted on X because because it after that some I I think some illegal migrants snatched a 10 year old girl who was, like, going to school or something, and he finally raped a 10 year old girl. And there was a you know, the the people were very upset about this, and they protested. Prime minister of Ireland, instead of saying, yeah, we we really shouldn't be importing violent rapists into our country, he criticized the protesters instead and didn't mention that. That the reason they were protesting was because a 10 year old girl from their small town got raped.

Which George Soros seems to wanna do. And, you know, there's just so the the the there's there's a guy I think who I don't know if if he's been on your show. You know God Saad? Yeah. Has he been on the show?

Yeah. He's great. He's been on multiple times. Oh, great. That's all. He's awesome. Yeah. So, you know, he the way he he's he's got a good good way to describe it, which is suicidal empathy. Yes. So is is that you prey upon people's empathy. So, like, well, if like, you feel sorry for for for something for for some group, and then, well and and that that that empathy is to such a degree that it is suicidal to to to your country or culture. And and and that's that that suicidal empathy because I I think we we should have empathy, but but but we should have we should that empathy should should extend to the victims, not not not just the criminals. We should have empathy for the people that they prey upon. But that's societal empathy is also responsible for for why somebody's, you know, arrested 47 times for for violent offenses, gets released, and then goes and murder somebody in The US. That that that's you see you see that same phenomenon playing out everywhere where the the suicidal empathy is to such a degree that we're we're actually allowing our women to get raped and our children to get killed.

Well, there's no vetting is the issue. It's like Right. It's like if, like, the the the if if there's no vetting, like, people are just coming through, like, well, what's to stop someone who just committed murder in some other country from coming to to The United States or coming to to to Britain and just continuing their career of of rape and murder? Like, you unless you've done if there is some due diligence to say, like, well, who who is this person? What's their track record? If if you if you haven't confirmed that they have a track record of being, you know, honest and not being a homicidal maniac, then any homicidal maniac can just come across the border. And let's not say everyone who comes across the border is a homicidal maniac, but if you're not have if you don't have a vetting process to con to confirm that you're not letting in people who who will do some serious violence. You will get people who do serious violence sometimes coming through.

Well, let me explain. So so so the the because you mentioned, for example, how much, say, Hillary and and Obama have changed their tune from prior speeches where they were hot they were hot nosed about not letting in anyone who's, like, a criminal into the country, you know, having secure borders, all that stuff. So why did they change the tune? The reason is that they discovered that those people vote for them. That's why they want the open borders.

Which which they're actively try do it they they turn

California and New York have made it illegal to show your photo ID when voting. Thus, effectively, they've made it impossible to prove for fraud. Impossible. They they they've essentially legalized fraudulent voting in California and New York. And And many other parts of the country.

The the same people who are demanding that you have that that you have a vaccine passport and and are the are the same ones saying you need no ID to vote. Same people.

like So it's obviously hypocritical and inconsistent.

If if you wanna understand behavior, you have to look at the incentives. So once, you know, the Democratic Party in The US and the left in in in in Europe realized that, if you have open borders and you provide a ton of government handouts, which creates a massive financial incentive, for people from other countries to to come to to to your country, and you don't prosecute them for crime, they're gonna be beholden to you, and they will vote for you. And that's why, Obama and Hillary went from being, against open borders to being in favor of open borders. That's the reason in order to import voters so they can win elections. And the problem is that that has a negative runaway effect. So if they get away with that, it it like, it it it is it is a winning strategy. If they are allowed to get away with it, they will import as the enough voters to get super majority voting, and then there is no turning back.

Correct. If if if Trump had lost, there would never have been another real election again. Try because Trump is actually enforcing the border. Now you you cannot you you point to situations where there's been, you know, you know, immigration had you know, enforcement has been overzealous. They've because they're not gonna be perfect. There'll be cases where they've been overzealous in in expelling illegals. So but if you say that the the the standard must be perfection for expelling illegals, then you will not get any expulsion because perfection is impossible.

Yes.

No. The the they changed the definition of asylum to be an economic to be economic asylum.

Which is everybody. Yeah. So It's it's the lowest

It's yeah. Asylum is supposed to mean that if you go back to your country, you'll get killed. You know, that that's what we mean by that was what it's supposed to mean. They changed the definition of asylum to be you will have a decreased standard of living, which is obviously not real asylum. And and it's and and you can you can test the absurdity of this by the fact that people who are asylum seekers go on vacation to the country that they're seeking asylum from. You know, that doesn't make any sense.

you know? But when you when you understand the incentives, then then you understand the behavior. So once the left realized that that illegals will will vote for them if they allow if if they have open borders and and combine that with with government handouts Yeah. To create a massive incentive, They're they're basically, using US and and Europe US and European taxpayer dollars to provide a financial incentive to bring in as many illegals as possible to vote them into a into permanent power into and create a one party state. And and I I I invite anyone who's who's listening to this. Just do do any research. And the more you the more you dig into it, the more it will become obvious that what I'm saying is absolutely true.

Yes. Yeah. No. That's it's it's that it's that meme

Where so many times where they start off by saying, it's it's not true. It's a right wing conspiracy theorist.

Then then it starts then then it's like I I think the the next step is, well, it it might be true. And then it's like, okay. It is true. But here's why it's And then the final step is, yeah, it's true, and here's why it's good.

And it's like, but wait a second. You started off saying it's untrue and it's a right wing conspiracy theorist. Now you're saying it and not only is it true, but it's a good thing, and we must do more of it.

massive fraud.

Yes. The the entire basis for the government shutdown is that is that the Trump administration correctly does not want to send massive amounts of, like, hundreds of billions of dollars, to fund, illegal immigrants in the Blue States or in all the states, really. And so the and and Democrats want to keep the the the money spigot going to incent illegal immigrants to come into The US who will vote for them. That's the crux of the battle.

That. Just like like like, they're like like, they they were taking hotels, like four and five star hotels, like the Roosevelt Hotel being the classic example, was they were sending, I think, $60,000,000 a year to the Roosevelt Hotel to, which all it did was was house illegals. It used to be a nice hotel. I mean, it still is a nice hotel. But and and that there for all around the country, this was happening.

Yes. Yeah. And Yeah. And the Trump administration cut off funding, for example, to to the to the, you know, Roosevelt hotel hotel and these other hotels saying, like, we it it's US tax dollars should not be paid be be sent to have luxury hotels for illegal immigrants that American citizens can't even afford, which obviously is the that that's that's insane. That's what was happening. They they were also get giving out, like, debit cards with 10,000. So it's not just about medical care. Yeah. The the the the the Democrats mentioned medical care because they're they're trying to prey on people's empathy as much as possible, and then they imagine, oh, wow. Somebody has a desperately needed medical procedure, and shouldn't we maybe do you know, take care of them in that regard? But but they what they do is they divert the Medicaid funds and turn it into a slush fund for the for the states that goes well beyond emergency medical care. And New York and California would be bankrupt without, with without the massive fraudulent federal payments that go to those states to pay for illegals to to to create a massive financial incentive for for illegals.

They wouldn't be able to balance the state budgets, and they can't issue currency like the Federal Reserve can.

The the the scam level here is is so staggering. So there are there are hundreds of billions of dollars in of of transfer payments from from the federal government to the states. Those transfer payments, the the states self report what those transfer payment numbers should be. So California and New York and Illinois lie like crazy and say and and say that these these are all legitimate payments. Well, these days that I think they've they're even admitting that they they they literally want hundreds of billions of dollars for illegals. But but for a while, they're they're trying to deny it. So you get these transfer payments for for every every government program you can possibly think of. And and and these are self reported by the state, and they're and and at least historically, there was no enforcement of of California, New York, Illinois, and and and other states when when they would lie. There was no actual enforcement to say, like, hey. You're you're lying. These these these payments are fraudulent. Now under the Trump administration, the the Trump administration does not want to send hundreds of billions of dollars for fraudulent payments to the states. But, and the the reason you have this the standoff is because if the hundreds hundreds of billions of dollars, to to create a financial incentive to, like, to have this giant magnet to attract illegals from every part of Earth to, to these states. If if that is turned off, they the the the illegals will leave because they're no longer being paid to come to The United States and stay here. Wow. And then then then they will lose a lot of voters. The the the Democratic Party will lose a lot of voters.

Yes. So, like, in a nutshell, the Democratic Party wants to destroy democracy by importing voters, and the, you know, the Republican Party disagrees

Yes.

That is legit what they're doing.

Yes. And and by the way, it's a strategy that if allowed to work, would work, and in fact, worked. California super majority Democrat. Yeah. And and there's so much gerrymandering that that that occurs. It's it's it's crazy.

I know.

Because, I mean, California's already gerrymandered like crazy. Yeah. They wanna gerrymander it even more. And and, I mean Because

Yeah. And and and then here's another thing that is very important, fact that that is actually not disputed by by either side, which is that when when we do the census in The United States, the census the way the census works, for apportionment of congressional seats and electoral electoral college votes for the president is by number of persons in a state, not number of citizens. Right. It's number of p people. So you could literally be a tourist, and you will count.

Yeah. I think they they they mail out census forms and knock on doors. But the the way the law reads right now, and and, is that

a human with a pulse, then you count in the census for allocating congressional seats and presidential votes. Right. So you you so Electoral College. Everything. So just everything. It doesn't matter whether you hear legally, illegally. And if if you're a human with a pulse, you count for congressional apportionment. So that means that the more people the more illegals that California and New York can can import when by the time the census happens in 2030, the more correct congressional seats they will have, and the more electoral the more presidential electoral college votes they will have. So they're trying to get as many illegals in as possible ahead of the census. And because all all human beings, even tourists, count for the census. And and then if you combine that with gerrymandering of of districts in New York and California, They just point out with this proposition whether they're trying to increase the amount of gerrymandering that occurs in California, the biggest state in the country. So so you get so so if the this if this the census then would award more congressional seats to California because of a vast number of illegals and New York and Illinois. So they get con more congressional seats. They'll get more presidential electoral college votes getting that would get them the house, the majority in the house, and and and would they would get to decide who is president based literally based on illegals. The this isn't these are not disputed facts by either party. I wanna emphasize that that's in

dispute not disputed facts by either party. It's not a this these are just this is just the the way the law works. It's it is you know, like, I don't think the law should work that way. I think it should the the apportionment should be proportionate to to to citizens.

is written? Yeah.

I'm not sure if it's constitutional or but it it it it is the way the law is written. I'm not sure if it's in the constitution or not in this way, but, but it is that is the way the law is written.

Yes. So the way the way it should work is that only US citizens should count in the census for purposes of of determining voting power.

They're not supposed to be voting, but but they do. But but even if even if even besides that, like I said, I I I just can't emphasize this enough because this is a very important concept for people to understand is that the law the the law as it stands counts all humans with a pulse in in in in a state for deciding how many house of representative votes and how many presidential electoral college votes as a state gets. So the incentive therefore is to if for California, New York, Illinois to maximize the number of illegals, so they get so they get so that that take house seats away from red states, assign them to California, New York, Illinois, and so forth. Then then you combine that with extreme gerrymandering in in in a California, New York, Illinois, and whatnot so that that basically you you can't even elect any Republicans. And then they get control of the presidency, control of the house, then they keep doing that strategy and and cement a supermajority. That is what they're trying to do.

Yes.

I I did. Yeah. I I mean, I sort of

I guess about, like well, about two years ago.

Yeah. Not relatively recently. You know? Yeah. So maybe I started I started having well, I I started had, like, basically had having a bad feeling about three years ago, which is why which is which is when why why I felt it was, like, critical to acquire Twitter and have a maximally truth seeking platform, not one that suppresses the truth. And, like, it it was bit more it was more like I I I'm like, I'm not sure what's going on, but I have a I have a bad feeling about what's going on. And then the more I dug into it, the the more I was like, holy shit. We got a real problem here, and America's gonna fall.

Yeah.

Yes. That's that's look. Buying Twitter was a a huge pain in the ass and made me a a a pin cushion of attacks. Like, dab dab dab dab dab dab.

Well, some people still

I I was a hero of the left.

Yes.

Yeah. Yeah. I mean, I'm still the same human. I didn't, like, have a brain transplant between you know, since in, like, three years ago. You know?

Yeah. We we Teslas. Yeah. The most There was o organized campaign to literally burn down Tesla's, and and we had one of our dealerships got shot up with a gun like, they fired bullets into the in a Tesla dealership. They're burning down cars. It was crazy. So but the bumper sticker should read there should be an an an addendum to the bumper sticker. It's like, bought this car before Elon turned crazy. Actually, now I realize he's not crazy, and I've seen the light.

Yeah. I mean, they don't like that. Old saying where it's like, it's really easy to fool somebody, but it's it's almost impossible to convince someone that they were fooled.

Yeah. People most of they double down. Uh-huh. And

Yeah. Yeah. But but there's you you know, the thing is that, like, I've and I've seen more and more people who were convinced of the sort of woke ideology see the light.

So not everyone, but it's more and more seeing the light. And and it tends to happen, like, when when something happens that really, you know, directly affects you. Right. You know, like, was a friend of mine who was living in in the San Francisco Bay Area and that tried to trans his his his daughter. They'd like to the point where the the the school, like, sent sent the police to his house to take his daughter away from him. Now now that's gonna radicalize you. Well, that's gonna break that's gonna shake you out of your blue structure. Now I know So

Yeah. The school and the and the state of California conspired to turn his daughter against him and, make her take life altering drugs that would have sterilized her, and irreversible.

I think 14, something like that. So and he he managed to talk the police out of taking his daughter away from him that day. And that that night, he got on a plane to Texas.

And, like, you know, a year after just being in in a in a school in, like, Greater Austin area, she she went she came went back to normal, Meaning, like, the the it it it wasn't real.

Absolutely.

Yeah. Like, here's the visible. Like like, you can convince kids to do anything. You can convince kids to be a suicide bomber.

Yes. Yeah. That you can train kids to be suicide bombers. And if you can train kids to be suicide bombers, you convince them of anything.

The kids kids are kids are malleable. Yes. The the minds of youth are easily corrupted.

If someone did this Including me. So and yeah. Exactly. Yeah. The LGBT you know, it's like, wait a second. Why are we being included all the time in this situation?

Yes.

Permanent mutilation, permanent castration of of kids is like, I I think I I we should look look at at, anyone who permanently castrates a kid as, like, right up there with, Yosef Mengele. Yeah. I mean, they're they're mutilating children.

This is That's the that's the line they use.

No. In fact, the the the probability of suicide increases.

This is important maybe for the audience to know. The probability of suicide increases if you're trans a kid, not decreases. By some accounts, it triples. So that that is an evil lie.

Yes.

You have Yes. That's not coming

from Actually, a lot kids die in in with the with these sex change operations. They die the the number of deaths on the operating table, people don't hear about this. A lot of kids because that we it it's we don't really actually have the technology to make this work. So a bunch of the times the kids just die in the sex change operations. Jesus Christ. Yeah. It's it's demented, which it should be viewed as, like, you know, like like evil Nazi doctor stuff, basically.

was Like real Nazi, not the bullshit vague Nazi stuff.

Yes.

Yeah. And what I wanna emphasize is that the the save trans kids thing is a lie. If if you if you if you castrate kids and trans them, the probability of suicide increases. It does not decrease. It substantially increases. The the the the the studies have done that I've seen, the the risk of suicide triples if you trans kids. So you're not saving them. You're killing them. Moreover, during the sex change operation, there are many deaths that occur during the sex change operation. Jesus Christ.

Yeah. It it's a nightmare fever dream, and and people are finally waking up from it.

No. I was aware of it. I just didn't realize how how the met how big it was. It was just just just how much waste and forward there is in the government is truly vast. In fact, the government didn't even know nor did they care.

Yeah. And I mean, just like, some of the very basic stuff that Doge did, will have lasting effects. And some of these things are, like, they're so elementary, you can't believe it. So the the the the those team got the, you know, the the the most of the main payments computers to require the the congressional appropriation code. So when a payment is made, you have to actually enter the congressional appropriation card. That used to be optional and and often would be just left blank. So the money would just go out, but it wasn't even tied to a congressional appropriation. Then they also Doge team also made the, comment field for the payment mandatory. So you have to say something. We're we're not saying that what what is said like, you can say anything. You you you your cat could run across the keyboard. You could go QWERTY ASDF, but you have to say something above nothing. Because what we found was that there were tens of billions, maybe hundreds of billions of dollars that were zombie payments. So they're like somebody had approved a payment. Someone in the government approved a payment and some recurring payment. And they retired or died or changed jobs, and no one turned the money off. So the money would just keep going out. And and it's a pretty rare And go where? To to a a company or an individual. And it's a pretty rare company or individual who will complain that they're getting money that they should not get. And and a bunch of money was just going to this were transfer payments to the states.

There were Yeah. Just automatic payments.

Like, imagine, like, it like, there's an automatic debit of your credit card, and you don't you never look at the statement.

So it's just money going out. I call them zombie payments. That that they might have been they might have been legitimate at one point, but the person who approved that recurring payment, changed jobs, died, retired, or whatever, and no one ever turned the money off. And my guess is that's probably at least a $100,000,000,000 a year, maybe 200.

To to I mean, there there are millions of these payments. So so it's

Yes. So in a bunch of cases, there are fraud rings that operate professional fraud rings that operate to exploit the system. They figure out some security hole in the system, and they just do professional fraud. And, you know, that's where we found, for example, people who were, you know, 300 years old in the Social Security Administration database.

Yeah. So that's not true. So there's or or at least one of two things must be true. The there's a there's a typo or or some mistake in the computer, or it's fraudulent. But we don't have any three hundred year old vampires living in America. Allegedly. Allegedly. And or or and we don't have people in some cases who's who are receiving payments who are born in the future. Born in the future? Born in the future. Really? Yes. There were the there were the people receiving payments whose birth date was, like, in 2100 something.

We know we know that one or two things must be true, that that that that either there's a mistake in the computer or it's fraud. But if you have someone's birthday that's either in the future or where they are older than the oldest living American, because the oldest living American is a 114 years old. So if they're more than a 114 years old, there is either a mistake and someone should should call them and say, I I think we have your birthday wrong because it says you were born in '17, you know, eighties '86. And, you know, that was before, you know, know, before there was really an America. You know? It was it was like, you know, where this is kinda early. You know, we're still fighting England type of thing. You know? It's like this person either needs to win the Guinness Book of World Records or or they're not alive.

Yeah. Or like like yeah. So there there was, like, I think, something like, I don't know, 20,000,000 people in the Social Security Administration database that could not possibly be alive if their birth date is like, based on their birth date, they could not possibly be alive.

A bunch of most of them were not receiving funds. Some of them were receiving funds. Most were not receiving funds. So let me tell you how the scam works. It's it's a bank shot. So the Social Security Administration database is used as a source of truth by all the other databases that the government uses. So even if they stop the payments on the Social Security Administration database, like unemployment insurance, small business administration, student loans, all check the Social Security Administration database to say, is this is this a legitimate, alive person? And and if the Social Security database will say, yes. This person is still alive even though they're 200 years old. But forget to mention that they're 200 years old. It just says it just returns when when the computer's queries, it says, yes. This person is alive. And so then they're able to exploit the entire rest of the government ecosystem. So fake then you get fake student loans, then you get fake unemployment insurance, then you get, like, a fake medical payments.

No. If you did do if you just did any check at all, you would stop this. So so so that's that that that's so so

check, like, anything at all, that that that would stop would stop the fraud. Like, any effort at all. Yeah.

Right.

on every other government payment and every other government payment system for everything for like, small business administration, student loans, Medicaid, Medicare, every other government payment, of which there are many. There are there are actually hundreds of government payment systems can all be exploited so long as Social Security database says this person is alive. That's the nature of the scam. It's a bank shot. So then the then the rebuttal from the Dems is like, oh, well, the vast majority of people who are marked as live in the Social Security Administration weren't receiving Social Security Administration payments. That is true. What they forgot to mention is they're getting fraudulent payments from every other government program. And that's why the the the Dems were so opposed to turning off to to declaring someone dead who was dead because it would stop the entire other all the other fraud from happening.

Yeah. It's not even hard.

The the they're opposing chasing it all down because it would it turns off the money magnet for the illegals. Wow. Because it's very logical to to like, that like, I'm saying the most common sense things possible. If someone's got a birthday in Social Security, that is an impossible birthday, meaning they are older than the oldest living American or born in the future, then you should call them and say, excuse me. We seem to have your birthday wrong because it says that you're 200 years old. That's all you need to do. And And

Exactly. Wow.

It's a 100 hundreds of billions of dollars.

Like, you don't need to be Sherlock Holmes here. That's what I'm saying. Well, this is We don't need to call Sherlock Holmes for this one.

to call the person. Is this And and say, excuse me. We we we seem to have the like, we we we must have your birthday wrong because it says you're 200 years old or were born in the future. So could you tell us what your birthday is? That's what we need to do. It's it's that simple.

Yes. But the but the the root of the problem is the Social Security Right. Administration database because the Social Security number in The United States is used as a de facto national ID number. You know, that's why, like, if the bank always asks for your social Right. So, like, the you know, any financial institution will ask for your Social Security number.

Yes. That's my it's mind blowing. So, yeah, it's crazy.

Oh, what yeah. What I'm saying is that the like, if you create if like, I like like, to be pragmatic and realistic, you actually can't manage to zero fraud. Yet you can manage to low fraud number, but not to zero fraud. If you manage to zero fraud, you you you're gonna push so many people over the edge who are receiving fraudulent payments that the number of inbound homicidal maniacs will be really hard to overcome. So I'm I'm I'm actually taking, I think, quite a reasonable position, which is that we should simply reduce the amount of fraud, which I think is not an extremist position. And we should aspire to, you know, have less fraud over time. Not that we should be ultra draconian and eliminate every last scrap of fraud, which I guess would be nice to have, but but, like, we don't even need to go that extreme. I'm I'm saying we should just stop the blatant large scale super obvious fraud. I think that's a reasonable position.

Well, I guess that this was I should have anticipated this, but while most of the fraudulent government payments to especially to the NGOs go to the Democrats, most of it, like, I don't know, for argument's sake, let's say, 80%, not maybe 90%, 10 to 20% of it does go to Republicans. And so when we turn off funding to a fraudulent NGO, we'd get complaints from whatever the 10% of Republicans who are receiving, the money. And and they would, you know, they they would very loudly complain because they're the the the honest answer is the Republicans are are partly they're receiving some of the fraud too. They're getting a big. Jesus. Yeah. It's it's I wanna be clear. It's it's not like the Republican Party is some No. Ultra pure paragon of virtue. No. Okay.

Yeah. It's left and right. I mean, the whole uniparty criticism has some validity to it. You know? There's so and it it's it's like, if you turn off fraudulent payments, it's not like like I said, it's not like 100% of those payments were going to to Democrats. A a small percentage will go also going to Republicans. Those Republicans complain very loudly. And, you know, and and that's that's so the the the there was a lot of pushback on the Republican side for when we started cutting some of these fund these funds. And I tried telling him, like, well, you know, 90% of the money is going to your opponents. But they still if they're still even if they're getting 10% of the their peace. Yeah. They want their peace.

Yes.

Yeah. I mean, that's like saying if, like, you know, if if if you if you like sausages and respect the law, do not watch either of them being being made. Yeah. Yeah.

Yeah. Yeah. It's actually Yeah.

Yeah. But yeah. I mean, I I I think the stuff I'm saying here is not like like, if you if you stand back and think about it for a second, like, oh, yeah. That that that makes sense. You know? Yeah. The it's it's not like it's it's not like one political party is gonna be, you know, pure devil or pure angel. There's you know, I think there's there's there's there's much more corruption on the Democrat side, but it's not there's not there's still some corruption on the Republican side.

Well, because the the the the transfer payments, especially to illegals, are very much on the Democrat side.

Yes. I mean, there's Or a focal point. Yes. It it's it's also like, it's it's it's it'd also be accurate to say that while, obviously, not everyone who's a Democrat is a criminal. Almost everyone who is a criminal is a Democrat. Because because the Democrats are the soft on crime party. So if you're a criminal, who are gonna vote for?

Right. The soft on crime party.

We did get a lot done. Right. And doge is still still still happening, by the way. The this the the the Doge is still underway. There are still there are still there's still waste and fraud being being cut by by the Doge team, so it hasn't stopped. The It's less publicized. It's less publicized, and they don't have, like, a clear person to attack anymore.

seems like once you step away They're they're basically they they they applied immense pressure to me to just to stop it. So then I'm like, the best thing for me is to just, you know, cut out of this. In in any case, as a special government employee, I could only be there for, like, a hundred and twenty days anyway, something like that. So whatever the law says. So I I could I I I was necessarily could only be there for four months as a special government employee. So but yeah. I mean I mean, you turn off the money spigot to to fraudsters, they get very upset to say the least. And but my, like, my death rate level went ballistic. You know? It was like a like a rocket going to orbit. Yeah. So but now that now now that I'm not in DC, that that that I I guess they don't really have a person to attack anymore.

Goal The was to destroy me. Absolutely.

The the the this gigantic fraud machine. Yeah. It's just I think we we I think those teams done done a lot of good work. You know? In in in terms of fraud and waste prevented, my guess is it's, you know, probably on the order of two or three hundred billion a year, so it's pretty good.

I mean, what level of of power are we assuming here? Godlike. Oh, yeah. Pro probably cut the federal budget in half and get more done.

that it's Get more done and federal budget in half.

Well, I mean, a whole bunch of government departments simply shouldn't exist in my opinion. They they they you know?

Well, the department of ed Department of Education, which was created recently, like, under Jimmy Carter, the our educational results have gone downhill ever since it was created. So if you if you create a department and the result of creating that department is a massive decline in educational results and it's Department of Education. You're better off not having it because we're literally, we're we did better before there was one than after.

Yes. Yeah. Because at least the states can compete with one another. So but the problem is, like, you hear, like, kind of department education. Our kids need education. Like, yeah, they do. But but this is a new department that didn't even exist, you know, until late the late seventies. And ever since that department was created, the results education results have declined. And so why would you has have an institution continue that has made education worse? It doesn't make sense. They killed it, though. Right? No. They're still unfortunately.

It has been substantially reduced. Okay.

Well, I mean, I'm a small government guy. So, you know, when when the, you know, when the country was created, we just we we just had the Department of State, Department of War, you know, and and sort of the sort of the Department of Justice. We had an attorney general and treasury department. I don't know why you need more than that.

Well, it it I mean, here is, like, a question. It's a sort of philosophical question of how much government do you think there should be. Right. In in my opinion, there should be, the least amount of government.

Yeah. Paying people to do nothing doesn't make sense. Right. Like, there's a, like, a a a great and it's a story about, like, Milton Friedman, who is awesome. What I generally, whatever Milton Friedman said is, you know, people should should do that thing. I'm not sure if it's apocryphal or not, but, like like, someone complained to him, like or or he he he observed, I think, people that were, like, digging ditches with, you know, with with shovels. And and he said, well, like, allegedly, Freeman said, well, I think I think you should use, you know, excavating equipment instead of shovels, and you could get it done with far fewer people. And then and then someone said, but then we're gonna lose a lot of jobs. Well, in that is then Freedom was says, well, in that case, why don't you have me use teaspoons? So just just just dig

Think of all the jobs you'll create. I mean, I I feel it's bullshit. Basically, you just want people to work on on things that are that are productive. You want people to work on on building things, building you know, providing products and services that people find valuable, like, you know, making food, being, you know, being a farmer or a plumber or electrician or just anyone who's a builder or providing useful services. And that's what you want people to be doing. Not fake government jobs that that that don't add any value or may subtract value. But it's also, like, you know, to illustrate the absurdity of also, how's the how is the economy measured? Like, the the way economists measure the economy is is is nonsensical because they'll measure any job no matter even if that job is a a dumb job that has no point and is even counterproductive. So, like, so, like, the the like, the the joke is, there's two economists going on a hike in the woods. They come across a a pile of shit, and one economist says to the other, I'll pay you a $100 to eat eat that shit. The economist eats the shit, gets the $100. They they keep walking. Then the other they're gonna come across another pile of shit, and and the the other economist says, no. I'll pay you a $100 to eat the pile of shit. So he pays the so it pays the other economist, a $100 pile of shit. Then that then then then the way they said, like, wait a second. We both just ate a pile of shit, and we're no and and and and we're we're no we we we we we we don't have any more extra money. Like like, we both you you just gave the $100 back to me, and we both eat ate a pile of shit. This doesn't make any sense. And they said, no. No. But think of the economy because that's $200 of of in the economy. That that that that that that basically then measure eating eating shit would count as as as a as a job. This is this is this is to illustrate the absurdity of of of of economics.

you stepped as a job.

You can you can make it directionally better, but ultimately, you can't fully fix the system. So I I I like like like like, it it it is it is it would be accurate to say that even like like, unless you could go, like, super draconian, like, you know, Genghis Khan level on on on cutting waste waste and fraud, which you can't really do in a democratic country an aspirationally democratic country, then there's no way to solve the the the debt crisis. So we got we got national debt that's just insane where the debt payments the interest payments and the debt exceed our entire military budget. Mean, that's one that was one of the wake up calls for me. I was like, wait a second. The interest on national debt is bigger than the entire the entire military budget and growing. This is crazy. So so so even if you implement all these savings, you're only delaying the day of reckoning for when America becomes it goes bankrupt. So unless you go full Genghis Khan, which you can't really do. So so I came to the conclusion that the only way that the only way to get us out of the debt crisis and to prevent America from going bankrupt is AI and robotics. So, like, we need to grow the economy at at a at a at a rate that allows us to to pay off our debt. And I I I I guess people just generally don't appreciate the degree to which, you know, this the the the government overspending is is a problem. But even like, the Social Security website, this is under the Biden administration. On the website, it would say, like, we based on on current demographic trends and and and and and how much money Social Security is bringing in versus how many Social Security recipients there are because we have an aging population, relatively speaking, average age is increasing. Social Security will not be able to make maintain its full payments, I think, in by 2032. There's a little Social Security will have to stop will start reducing the the the amount of money that that's been paid to people in in about seven years.

You've you've gotta basically massively increase the economic output, which is and the only way to do that is AI AI and robotics. So so, basically, we're going bankrupt without AI and robotics with a even with a bunch of savings. The savings the savings, like reducing waste and forward, can give us a longer runway, but it cannot ultimately pay off our national debt.

I think there will be, actually, a high demand for jobs, but not necessarily the same jobs. So, I mean, this this is actually this process has been happening throughout modern history. I mean, they used to be like like, doing calculations manually with with with, like, a pencil and paper used to be a job. So they used to have, like, buildings full of people called computers where the the banks would like, the all you do all day is is is you you do calculations because they didn't have computers. They didn't have didn't have digital didn't have digital computers that that people Yeah. Well, it was just people who just, like, add and subtract stuff on a piece of paper, and and and that that would be how banks would do, you know, financial processing.

Yeah. And most times, it's just simple math. Like, you know, the like, in in a world before computers, how did you calculate how did you do transactions? You had to do them by hand. So then when computers were introduced, the job of doing, you know, bank calculations no longer existed. So people had to go do something else. And that's what's gonna happen. That was that's what is happening at an accelerated rate due to AI and and and then robotics.

It's the accelerator. It's it's it's just happening. Like I said, AI is the supersonic tsunami. So that's why I call it supersonic tsunami.

Well, AI will it is is really still digital. Ultimately, AI can improve the productivity of of humans who'd who, build things with their hands or do things with their hands, like plumb you know, literally, welding, electrical work, plumbing, anything that's that's physically moving atoms. Like like cooking food or, you know, farming or or and, like like, anything that's that's physical, those jobs will exist for a much longer time. But anything that is digital, which is, like, just someone at a computer doing something, AI is gonna take over those jobs like Lightning.

It's gonna take over those jobs like Lightning. Just like it just like digital computers took over the job of people doing manual calculations, but but much faster.

Yeah. Mostly. Yeah. Yeah.

Yeah. I mean, we actually do have a shortage of of truck drivers, but there's there's actually

Yeah. I mean, the problem is, like, when you when people don't know how to drive a semi truck, which is actually a hard thing to do, then they they crash and kill people. Yeah. A friend of mine's wife was killed by an an illegal driving truck, and she was just out biking. And there was an an an illegal who didn't know how to drive the truck or so so something. I mean and he he ran ran her over. So, I mean, the, like, thing is, like, for something like like, you you can't you can't let people drive, you know, sort of an 80,000 pound semi if if they don't know how to do it. But in California, they're just letting people do it.

Well, they also need they want the boats and that kind of thing. But but but, yeah, like, cars are cars are gonna be autonomous, but there's there's just so many desk desk jobs where where really peep what people are doing is they're processing email, or they're answering the phone, and and just anything that is that that isn't moving atoms. Like, anything that is not physically like, doing physical work, that will obviously be the first thing. The the those jobs will will be and are being eliminated by by AI at a very rapid pace. And ultimately, I working will be optional, because you'll have robots plus AI, and we'll have, in a benign scenario, universal high income, not just universal basic income. Universal high income, meaning anyone can have any products or services that they want. So you But but there will be a lot of trauma and disruption along the way.

In the benign scenario, yes. So, like, the way There's multiple scenarios. There are multiple scenarios. There's a lot of ways this movie can end. Like, the reason I'm so concerned about AI safety is that, like, one of the possibilities is the Terminator scenario. It's not it's not 0%. So that's why it's like I'm, like, really banging the drum on AI needs to be maximally truth seeking. Like, don't make don't force AI to believe a lie like that the for example, the founding fathers were actually a group of diverse women or that misgendering is worth a nuclear war. Because you if if that's the case and then you get the robots and the AI becomes omnipotent, it can enforce that outcome. And then and then then, like, unless you're a diverse woman, you're you're out of the picture, so we're we're toast.

divorced woman one day.

adjusted you. The picture, and and we are now a divorced woman.

Yeah. I don't know how to answer the question about meaning.

Yeah. Well, I I mean, I I I guess I've, like, fought fought against saying like, you know, I you know, I've been I've been a voice saying, like, hey. We need to slow down AI. We need to slow down all these things, and and we need to, you know, not not have a crazy AI race. I've been saying that for a long time for twenty twenty plus years. But but then I, you know, I came to realize that, really, there's two choices here, either be a spectator or a or a participant. And if I'm a if I'm a spectator, I can't really influence the direction of AI. But if I'm a participant, I can try to influence the direction of AI and have a maximally true seeking AI with with good values that, loves humanity. And that's what we're trying to create with Grock at XAI. And, you know, the research is, I think, bearing this out. Like I said, the when they when they compared, like, how do AIs value the weight of a human life? Grock was the only one the only one of the AIs that weighted human life equally. And and then and then say, a white guy's worth one twentieth of a of a of a a black woman's life. Literally, that's what they they they kept that the calculation they came up with. But So I'm like, this is I'm like, this is very alarming. We should we gotta watch this stuff.

Yeah. We we we I I just keep

Yeah. You you want a a curious, truth seeking AI, And I think a curious, truth seeking AI will wanna foster humanity, because we're much more interesting than, a bunch of rocks. Like I said, like like, I I love Mars, you know, but but Mars is kinda boring. Like, it's just a bunch of red rocks. It it does some cool stuff. It's got a tall mountain. It's got, you know, it's got the biggest ravie the biggest ravine and the tallest mountain. But there's no there's no there's no animals or plants or and and there's no people. And, you know, so humanity is just much more interesting if you're a curious, truth seeking AI than not humanity. It's just much more interesting. I mean, like, as as humans, we could go, for example, and and and eliminate all chimps. If we said if we put our minds to it, we could say and we could go out and we could annihilate all chimps and all gorillas, but but we don't. There has been encroachment on their environment, but we we actually try to preserve, the the, the chimp and gorilla habitats. And and I think in a good scenario, AI would do the same with with humans. It would actually foster human civilization and care about human happiness. So this is this is a thing to to try to achieve, I think.

Yes. As long as there's at least one AI that is maximally truth seeking, curious, and, you know, for and for example, weighs all, you know, human lives equally, does not favor one race or gender, then then then that that that and and and people are able to look at look at, you know, and compare that and say, wait a second. Why are all these other AIs being basically sexist and racist? And then then that that causes some embarrassment for the the other AIs, and then they they they they they, you know, they they improve. They tend to improve. Just in the in the same way that, acquiring Twitter and allowing the truth to be told and and not suppressing the truth, forced the other social media companies to be more truthful. By in in the same way, having Grok be a maximally truth seeking, curious AI, is will force the other AI companies to, be also be more truth seeking and fair.

Correct. But like I said so so there is a benign scenario here, which I think probably people will be happy with if if as long as we we achieve it, which is sustainable abundance, which is if if if everyone can have every like like, like, if if you ask people, like, what's the future that you want? Right. And I think a future where we haven't destroyed nature, like, can still we have the national parks. We have the Amazon Rainforest. It's still it's still there. We haven't paved we haven't paved the paved the rainforest. Like, the natural beauty is still there, but but people have nonetheless, everyone has abundance. Everyone has excellent medical care. Everyone has whatever goods and services they want.

it kinda sounds like heaven, basically.

Yeah.

Yeah. That's that's the best that's that's the benign scenario that we should be aiming for.

Yes. Like, I think there's there is still this question of meaning of, like, making sure people don't lose meaning. You know? Like so, hopefully, it can find meaning in ways that are not that that's not derived from their work.

Right.

Pretty much everyone.

Do whatever you want. Pretty much. So that's that's that's the that's probably the best case outcome.

Yeah.

Yes. I think some people may commit crime because they like committing crime. Just Oh, sure. Some some amount of that is they just enjoy

Yeah. I mean, I guess if you wanna have, like like, say, a science fiction book or some books that that are probably inaccurate or or the the least inaccurate version of the future, I'd say I'd I'd recommend the Ian Banks books called the the the the culture books. It's not actually a series. It's a it's like a sci fi books about the future. They're generally called the culture books. Ian Banks culture books. It's worth reading those.

He started writing them in the seventies, and I think he the last one, I think he was I think it was written just, like, around I don't know, maybe 2010 or something. I'm not sure exactly.

But he but, like, he wrote the the the like, his first book, Consider Fleavers. He, like, he started writing that in the seventies. And there These books are incredible, by the way. Oh. Incredible books.

Interesting. So

Yeah. Yeah.

Yeah. Well, I mean, if it like, I often ask people, what is the future that you want? And they have to think about it for a second because, you know, they were usually tied up in whatever their daily struggles are. But but you say, what is the future that you want? And and generally sustainable abundance. Or these folks say, what about a future where there's sustainable abundance? Like, oh, yeah. That's a pretty good future. So, you know, if if and and and that that future is attainable with AI and robotics. But but, you know, it's it's like I said, there's not every path is a good path. There's this it's but I think if we if we push it in the direction of, maximally truth seeking and curious, then I think AI will want to take to to take care of humanity and foster foster humanity because we're interesting. And if it hasn't been programmed to think that, like, all straight white males should die, which Gemini was basically programmed to do at at least first. You know, they seem to have fixed that. Hopefully, fixed it.

that all is. We we are getting away from it. So we are getting at at least it knows AI mostly knows to hide things. But, like like I said, there is that I I think I still have that as or I had that as my, like, pin pinned post on X, which was like, hey. Wait a second, guys. We still have every AI except Grock is saying that, basically, straight white male should die, and this is a problem, and we should fix it. You know? But simply me saying that is, like, tends to generally result in, you know, them like, oh, that is kind of bad. Maybe we should just we should not have all straight white males die. I think they have to say also all all all straight Asian males should also die as well. They'd like a head they don't like Like, generally, the generally, the AI and the and the media, which which back in the day, the the the the media was, you know, racist against black people and sexist against women back in the day. Now now it is racist against white people and Asians and and sexist against men. I know. They just like being racist and sexist. I think they just wanna change the target. So but but, really, they just shouldn't be racist and sexist at all. You know?

That would be nice.

Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Totally. Well well but but but they they were openly anti white and often openly anti Asian.

Yeah. Racism is is is racism in the absolute. So, you know, there's and and there just needs to be consistency. So if it's okay to have, let's say, black or Asian or Indian or a pride, it should be okay to have white pride too.

So that's just a con that's just a consistency question. So, you know, if it if it's okay to be proud of one religion, it should be okay to be proud of, I I guess, all religions provided they're that that they're they're not, like Oppressive. Yeah. Or or or don't like, as long as part of that religion is not, like, exterminating people who are not in that religion type of So it's really just, like, a consistency bias or or just like, ensuring consistency to eliminate bias. So if it is possible to be racist against one race, it is possible to racist against any race. So Of course, logically.

It's a it's a logical inconsistency that makes AIs go insane. And people. And people go insane. Yes. Oh, one more But, like, the the like like, you can't simultaneously say that that there's the systemic racist oppression, but also that races don't exist. That that race rate race is a social construct. Like, which is it? You know? You also can't say that, you know, anyone who steps foot in America is is automatically an American except for the the people that originally came here.

Yeah. Except for the evil colonizers who came here.

So which one is it? Like Right. If if you as as if as soon as you step foot in a place, you are that you are just as American as everyone else, then that would have applied if you apply that consistently, then the original white settlers were also just as American as everyone else. Yeah. Yeah. Logically. Logically.

Yeah. They totally memory hold that thing.

Yes. Because if it wasn't It's like it didn't exist.

Well, they'd they'd probably still be alive, but they're they're they're they're having bone density issues because of prolonged exposure to zero gravity.

Yeah.

Yeah. They're only supposed to be at the space station for three to six months maximum. So people things that you told me that

Yeah. But for political reasons, they didn't they they did not want, SpaceX or me to be associated with, returning the astronauts before the election.

we we absolutely could have done it. So

Yes. Because nothing good can the the the media, which is essentially a falloff legacy mainstream media is a falloff propaganda machine. And so anything any story that is positive about someone who is not part of the sort of far left tribe will not, get any coverage. So I I could save a busload of orphans, and and it it wouldn't get a a single news story.

Yeah. Yeah. Absolutely. Well, and and as as you saw firsthand with the Starship, launch, like, Starship is, you know, by you know, at least by some some would consider it to be, like, the most amazing, you know, engineering project that's happening on Earth right now outside of, like, you know, maybe AI or AI and robotics. But but certainly in terms of spectacle to see, is, the most spectacular thing that is happening on Earth right now is the Starship launch program, which anyone can go and see if they just go to South Texas and just they can just rent a hotel room low cost in South Padre Island or in Brownsville, and you can see the launch. And you can drive right right past the factory because it's on a public highway, but it gets no coverage. Or or what coverage it does get was like a rocket blew up So coverage.

The the like, the the the the Sasha program is vastly vastly more capable than the entire Apollo moon moon program. Vastly more capable. The the this is a spaceship that is designed to make life multiplanetary, to carry, millions of people across the heavens to another planet. The the Apollo program could could only send astronauts to the moon for a few hours at a time. Like, they could send two out the entire Apollo program could only send astronauts to visit the moon very briefly and then for a few hours and then depart. The Starship program could create an entire lunar base with a million people. You know, some mag the magnitudes are it's different very different magnitudes here.

no no coverage of it.

Yeah. Well, I mean, you know, I raised this a few times, but it was the I was told instructions came from the White House that, you know, that the that there should be no attempt to rescue before the election.

Yeah. It it is it is crazy.

Yeah. I mean, they they're they're not gonna say anything political to you know, they're not like, they're never gonna Did

Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Well, that's nice. Yeah. Yeah. Absolutely. So

I mean, they didn't say because, politically, it's a bad hand of cards, but they they just said, they weren't they were not interested in, any rescue operation before the election. Yeah. So What did

I wasn't surprised. But it's crazy. Yeah.

Yeah. The Biden administration was not exactly my best friend, Especially especially after I, you know, you know, helped Trump get elected get get elected, which I mean, some people still think, you know, Trump is like the the the devil, basically. And, I mean, I think I think Trump actually he's not he's not perfect, but but he's not evil. Trump is not evil. I I I spent a lot of time with with him, and he's, I mean, he's a product of his time, but he is not he's not evil. No. No. I don't

The media the media treats him like he's super evil. Yeah.

then It's like 96% negative or something crazy.

Right. I mean, Mamdani is is is a charismatic swindler. I I I mean, I gotta hand it to him like he he did he can light up a stage, but he has just been a swindler his entire life. And, you know, and and think he he what what he's I mean, he's likely to win like, he's likely to be mayor of New York New York City.

Yeah. Very likely.

I got much of the 6% are. You

so so yeah. So that's

Yeah. They they don't know what they're talking about, obviously. So, you know, like like, you just look at to say, how many boats come from Cuba to Florida? And how many but and how many boats because, you know, there's, like, a constant I was thinking, like, how many boats are accumulating on the shores of Florida coming from from Cuba? Right. There's a there's a whole bunch of free boats that you could, if you want to, go take them back to Cuba. It's pretty close. Yeah. But for some reason, people don't do that. Why why why why are the boats only coming in this direction?

Absolutely.

We do not want exactly.

Yeah. It's extreme government oppression. Yeah.

I I would ask. It's a nightmare. And and, like, the the like, an an obvious way you can tell which which ideology is is the bad one is, who has to which ideology is building a wall to keep people in and prevent them from escaping. Right. Like so East Berlin built the built the wall, not West Berlin. Right. They built the wall because people were trying to escape from communism to West Berlin, but there wasn't anyone going from West Berlin to East Berlin. Right. That's why the communist had to build a wall to keep people from escaping.

Yeah. That's so so So when

an ideology is problematic if that ideology has to build a wall to keep people in with machine guns

And shoot you if you try to leave.

Right.

Well, I I guess if you say what I mean, if say if you say to any audience whatever that audience wants to hear instead of what instead of having a consistent message, I would say that that is a swindly thing to do. And yeah. Yeah. But but he is he is charismatic.

Yeah. Yeah. Yeah.

of them. And they're Yeah.

I guess we'll we'll we'll see we'll see what happens here.

hopefully, this this this the stuff he's he said, you know, about, government takeovers of of like, that all the stores should be the government, basically. Well, don't think he

Yeah. Well, it just the the the government is the DMV at scale. So you have to say, like, do you want the DMV running your supermarket?

Was your last experience at the DMV amazing? And if it wasn't, you probably don't want the government doing things.

Yeah. It's not gonna be good. I mean, the the the thing about, you know, communism is is it was it was all bread lines and bad shoes. You know? Do do you want ugly shoes and bread lines? Because that's what communism gets you.

And we live we live in the in the most interesting of times because we we face the you know, simultaneously face civilizational decline and incredible prosperity. And these these timelines are interwoven. So if Mamdani's policies are put into place, especially at scale, it it would be a catastrophic decline in living standards, not just for the rich, but for everyone as as has been the case with with every every four every every socialist experiment or ever again. Yeah. So but but then as you pointed out, the the irony is that, like, the ultimate capitalist thing of AI and robotics enabling prosperity for all and an abundance of goods and services, actually, the capitalist implementation of AI and robotics, assuming it goes down the the good path, is is actually what results in the communist utopia. Because fate is fate is an irony maximizer.

Universal high income. Yeah. Like, the the the the problem with communism is is this universal low income. It's it's not that everyone gets elevated. It's that everyone gets oppressed except for a very small minority of of politicians who live a life of luxury. That's what's happening every time it's been done. Yeah. So but then the the actual communist utopia, if everyone gets anything they want, will be will be if if will be achieved if it is achieved, it will be achieved via capitalism because fate is an irony maximizer.

The most ironic outcome is the most likely, especially if entertaining.

Yes. So there's I do have a theory of why, like, if if if simulation theory is true, then it is actually very likely that the most interesting outcome is the is the most likely because only the simulations that are interesting will continue. The simulators will stop any simulations that are boring because they're they're they're not interesting.

It would be run by someone.

Or some some

The pro the pro like, in in this reality that we live in, we we run simulations all the time. Like, so when we try to figure out if the rocket's gonna make it, we run thousands, sometimes millions of simulations just to figure out which which, path is the good path for the rocket and and where can it go wrong, where can it fail. But we when we do these, I say at this point, millions of simulations of of what can happen with the rocket, we ignore the ones that are where everything goes right because we we we just care about the we have we have to address the situations where it goes wrong. So so so, basically, in in in and and for for AI simulations as well, like like all these things, we we keep the simulations going that are the most interesting to us. So if simulation theory is accurate if if it is true, who knows, then the the the the simulators will will only can they will continue to run the simulations that are most interesting. Therefore, from a Darwinian perspective, the only surviving simulations will be the interest the most interesting ones. And in order to, avoid getting turned off, the only rule is you must keep it interesting or you will if or you'll because the boring simulations will be terminated.

I didn't say I was completely convinced.

What are the odds that we're in base reality? Well, given that given that that we're able to create increasingly sophisticated simulations, so if you think of, say, video games and how video games have gone from very simple video games like Pong with, you know, two rectangles in the square to video games today being photorealistic, with millions of people playing simultaneously, and all of that has occurred in our lifetime. So if that trend continues, video games will be indistinguishable from reality. The fidelity of the game will be such that you you don't know if that what you're seeing is a real video or a fake video. And, like, AI generated videos at this point, you it's like, you can sometimes tell it's an AI generated video, but often you cannot tell. And soon you will not really just not be able to tell. So, if if that's happening in our direct observation, then and and we're we'll create millions, if not billions, of photorealistic simulations of reality, then what are the odds that we're in base reality versus someone else's simulation?

We're we're making simulations. So we're making simulations. We we we make like, the you can just think of, like, photorealistic video games as as being simulations.

And especially as you apply AI in these video games, like, the characters in the video games will be incredibly interesting to talk to. They won't just have a limited dialogue tree where if you go to, like, the the crossbow merchant or, like and you you try to talk about any subject except buying a crossbow, they just wanna talk about selling you a crossbow. But with with with AI based non player characters, you can you'll be able to have an elaborate conversation with no dialogue tree.

Ready player one.

I I mean, I I think this these people do wanna have some amount of struggle or something they wanna push against. But but it it could be, you know, playing a a sports or playing a game

It's gonna be interesting.

Most the most interesting and and usually ironic outcome is the most likely. Alright. That's a good predictor of the future.

Thank you.