Elon Musk on DOGE, AI, & Are we in a Simulation

We're a little little bit successful. We were some somewhat successful.

I mean, no. I don't think so. I think ins instead of doing Doge, I I would have basically built you know, worked to my companies, essentially. And not and the cars would they wouldn't have been running the cars.

I I try not to have irrational fears.

If I find an irrational fear, I squelch it.

Well, I did I did originally come to North America with, like, I don't know, $2,500 Canadian, so I don't know. It's $2 US. At this point, I have a lot of knowledge. Lot A of things have to go wrong for that to be the case. It's like, am I just emerging from prison perhaps? With a stipend?

Nice to see you again, Katie.

phone. Right. Right.

Well, I guess I couldn't believe I was there, for the most part. It's like because it all seemed extremely surreal at the time. You know, Doge was a made up name that had been made up, I don't know, two or three months before. And based on Internet suggestions. And I was gonna call the Government Efficiency Commission, and then and then someone on the Internet said, no. It should be the Department of Government Efficiency, DOGE. I'm like, that sounds great. So we just kinda made up a department.

We're a little a little bit successful. We were some somewhat successful. I mean, we we we stopped a lot of funding for that that that really just made no sense. That was just entirely wasteful. Where it would like, for example, there was, like, probably a 100, maybe $200,000,000,000 worth of zombie payments per year, which simply by enforcing that there'd be a payment code and an explanation for the payment that the payment would not go out. So we've made that change to the main treasury computer and bunch of other computers. So I see, it seems like insanely obvious, But there are just, call it, I don't two or 3% of government payments that go out that really should not be going out, and it's actually quite hard to stop. So it's it's a it's a pretty rare individual that would ask the government to stop sending them money.

Do you mean would I repeat history, or or or would I

I mean, no. I don't think so. What I do I I think I probably I don't know.

I mean, the thing is, like, I think ins instead of doing Doge, I I would have basically built you know, worked on my companies, essentially. So and not and the cars were they wouldn't have been burning the cars.

Yeah. Yeah. Like, if you if you if you stop money going to going going for political corruption, they will they will lash out big time.

So they really want the money to keep flowing. So if you stop it from flowing, there's, a very strong reaction to to stopping the money flowing.

Well, I I wouldn't say I was super illusioned to begin with. It it I mean, I guess it's just like you really want the least amount done by government possible. The least amount. I I I guess maybe maybe, like, the the the biggest thing is that I guess the biggest single thing is is that the there there are massive transfer payments going to illegal immigrants, like massive essentially, we're we're we're paying people to come here from somewhere else in vast numbers, including flying them in. So, like, it's not like you need a border wall if if you're flying them in. Then fast tracking them to citizenship and making them beholden to to govern payments and and voting hard left. That's that's essentially it's it's like voter importation. If if if if you if you create a gigantic money magnet to as you say, see, if anyone comes here from anywhere else, we're gonna pay you tons of money, give you lots of free stuff. Come come come to America and and get paid to do so. Like, you're gonna get a lot of people taking up on that offer. When people say, this this this is fake, I'm like, actually, well, let's look at, you know, Ilan Omar, who was literally was voted into power voted into congress by, you know, a large group of people from Somalia who are in Minnesota, which is really far from Somalia, or Mamdani who was voted as to be to be mayor. But if if but by a majority of people who are not born in America. That's my understanding, at least. So and then then California is a big time situation. So I don't know. We just don't wanna turn into a, you know, communist hellhole, basically.

Assuming the current trend of artificial intelligence and robotics continues, which seems likely, the AI and robots will be able to do anything that that humans want to want them to do, essentially. So hopefully not more than that. But AI and robotics will be able to provide us provide all the goods and services that anyone could possibly want.

Guess people will people will be able to do whatever they want with their free time. Work will be optional. I I mean, I just wanna separate out from, like, what I wish would happen versus what I predict will happen because people get confused about that. They think that what I predict will happen is what I want it to happen. Yeah. What I want what I predict to happen is not the same as what I want to happen. I if if I could, I I would I would certainly slow down AI and robotics, but I I can't. It just seems to be well, it's it's it's advancing at a very rapid pace, whether I like it or not.

It used to be. At this point, I don't know. I I I I wouldn't say there's there's nothing particularly keeping me up at night right now, except that but if you say, what what what why do I wake up in nightmares? Oh, AI. Yeah. Actually, I've had a lot of AI nightmares. I I I had AI nightmares many days in a row. What am I supposed to do about it?

I I I try not to have irrational fears.

If I find an irrational fear, I squelch it. I I don't I don't I don't believe fear is fear is the mind killer. So how about somebody who feels fear strongly?

Six. You can tell by based on my ex posts.

People have actually mapped them, so you can it's very clear when I'm sleeping around that. I tried having less than six hours sleep, but although I'm awake more hours per day, my cognitive function is reduced. So my natural sleep and actually timed it with the phone, you know, if they can get a phone app to time it. It's like five hour five hours fifty six minutes. That's what the phone said.

Well, I have a lot of inbound communication. So it's information triage. I try to segment the days so that there's not too much context switching. Because arguably, fear is not the mind killer, context switching is. It's hard not to context switch if you've got an inbox full of stuff. But you can think of it if you had to context switch every three seconds or every thirty seconds or every three minutes, the context switching cognitive penalty would be very high at every three seconds.

SpaceX personal.

And it but even within Tesla and and SpaceX, there are many different things. Getting this sort of the stuff on X, like random news things. You know, people being burned alive and stuff like that. And, like, what the hell is going on in this country?

You know, President Trump is very funny. He's got a great sense of humor.

He's very funny. He's, like, naturally funny. But was it's, like, somewhat effort effortless. I mean, you know, when when he was at Mamdani in the office, and they asked him if he still thought the president was fascist. And the president said, just say yes. It's easier that way. Yeah. Yeah. Don't worry about it. Just say yes. That's awesome. He's like, yes. What a love. What a how silly.

The creator.

God is the creator.

Well, I believe that was this universe came from something. People have different labels.

I can't go to things where there's a general public because I I mean, there there's an immediate, can I have a selfie line that forms? And and these days, in particular, in light of Charlie Cook's murder, there are serious security issues. It's not that I don't want to. I simply can't.

It certainly reinforced the severity of the situation where life is on hardcore mode. You make one mistake and you're dead. It only takes one one mistake.

Well, mean, obviously, when my kids were born or the first time SpaceX got to orbit or Tesla made an electric car work.

It's a lot of it's a lot of things. There's a lot coming down the pike.

Starship. The the degree to which a Starship is a revolutionary technology is not well understood in the world. It's the first time that there's been any rocket design where full and rapid reusability is possible, or full reusability at all is possible. This this is the first design where a reusable rocket can is one of the possible outcomes, where success is in a set of possible outcomes.

Well, we could have made v two reusable, but the but we there were a lot of performance improvements for v three, so it made sense to go to v three. There just there's like 10,000 different changes between v two and v three, maybe more than 10,000 really. So but Starship if if if there are historians in the future, I'll look back at starship and say it was one of the most profound things that ever happened. Now, can think of historic events as where would they fit on the in the evolutionary hall of fame. So you've got things like single celled life, then you've got, you know, multicellular life capturing a mitochondria capturing mitochondria so that you have a power cell in the plant in the cell. You've got it like a power plant in the cell. You've got differentiation into plants and animals, life going from oceans to land. And then also on that scale, probably in the top 10, is life becoming multi planetary. There just aren't very many things that are in the top 10 of the evolution of life, or where you could basically say, you could evaluate any given civilization or any given life form as, you know, on on that on that scale. So life becoming multi planetary. It's in the top 10. It needs to be sustainably multi planetary, so not just visiting, but actually multiplanetary in the sense that if you have planetary redundancy. So if one of the planets if there were to be a catastrophe on one of the planets, the other planet would survive.

Starship is capable of doing that for the first time in history, and no AI was used to create it. So the AI will appreciate that.

You know, Tesla is mostly about making sure life on Earth is good, and x AI is about that too. Because multiplanetary means Earth's gotta be good and you need another planet. Sometimes people think, because they they have, you know, legacy templates, mental templates, they think that going to Mars is is an escape from Earth. And, like or that it would be some, you know, place where billionaires would go or something like that. But but actually Mars will be very dangerous, and the moon base will be also dangerous, much more dangerous, and much less comfortable than Earth. So people that would go in the early days to make life multi planetary on Mars or the moon, they would have a much higher risk of death than if than if they stayed on Earth. And the things would be cramped and uncomfortable. So that's the sales pitch for Mars. It's it's going to be uncomfortable. The food won't be as good as Earth. You might die. It's going to be a mass amount of hard work, and it may not succeed. That's the sales pitch.

Do you wanna go?

Yeah. Didn't wanna be in Jamestown.

Yeah. Maybe if there'd been social media back then, they would've saying, we're all dying. Here's videos of us dying. Would've probably put a damper on future voyages. But, yeah, there's just a whole bunch of people just disappeared. They don't know what happened to them.

I just think, like, from a fashion standpoint, we should evolve. Like my son Saxon said at one point, why does everything look like it's 2015? I was like, damn, things do everything does look like it's 2015. It's like, if you took a picture from 2015 and said in 2025, it looks exactly the same. Were stylistically things are the same as 2015. We have not we have not moved the needle in a decade.

Something new. You know, like the sixties had a definitive style. The seventies had a definitive style. The eighties had a definitive style. And then the nineties also had a different had a style, but then you start looking at the '2 the February and the twenty tens, and it's, like, less and less every year, I think we should evolve our style. I and and if you'll get some of the older paintings, you know, of past cabinet secretaries, some of them, like, look cool. Like, their their jackets are cooler than what we have right now. You know, they have sort of like a high collar and like a sort of I don't know what some sort of what do what do you call those things? Ascot or something like I mean, it just looks cool. Like so but we we don't every everything's like a very normal looking suit at this point. But like, literally, the same as 2015. And I'm being generous because arguably the same as 2010.

So in fifteen years. And and I'm like, from a fashion standpoint, I don't think we've moved since February. If you showed someone a picture of this is a bunch this is a bunch of dudes in 2000. This is a bunch of dudes in 2025. Which year is which? So I think we should, I don't know, spice it up a little.

I mean, which which conspiracy theories haven't come true at this point? We've run out of conspiracy theories that because it will come true, as far as I can tell.

I mean, I don't know if any aliens people always ask me if there's there are aliens. I have seen no evidence of aliens. No one on the SpaceX senior team has any evidence of aliens? Because I've asked the team, like, guys, am I missing something? Has anyone on the team has anyone seen any evidence of aliens?

That's just an unidentified flying object. So so UFOs like, it could be like some new weapons program or whatever that's, you know, some hypersonic missile or something like that. That that would be technically a UFO, but it's it's just it's just basically some weapons prototype. It's not it's not like aliens. So Although Neil Armstrong, Neil a, spelled backwards, is alien. Coincidence?

to the moon then? Yes. We went to the moon a few times actually, and played golf on the moon.

We didn't just go to the moon. We actually got a little bored and started playing golf on the moon.

jump the chalk moment.

No. The playing golf on the moon.

You know, I literally did.

Yeah. Yeah. We have to golf ball on the moon.

like There is gravity. One sixth. If it wasn't gravity, you'd just float away.

There's no atmosphere.

But there is one sixth gravity.

I don't know. How would I know? What what do you think?

Me?

Thanks.

Yeah. I don't yell.

Right.

Right. Well, why would they think anyone would work at the companies? Yeah. I mean, talent I mean, talented people can go work anywhere they want. So they're only gonna work at one of my companies if they want to. And if they're mistreated in some way, they would they would leave and go work somewhere else.

Well, I I think we needed something inspirational. I can't wait. We kinda have a lot of star things. You know? So we got Starlink, Starship. Well, where would Starship depart from Starbase? I mean, Starbase is is, as you've mentioned, it's it's like it's I think it's probably the coolest place on Earth.

And it used to it it used to be a sandbar down by the Rio Grande. I mean, it's only like three feet above sea level. So we built a gigantic rocket factory and two giant launch towers down by the river, literally within the side of the Rio Grande, and on on on an actual sandbar. Kinda had to have, like, an inspirational name. And then we made it a city. So it's an incorporated city, like legally a city. You don't you don't hear about new cities being formed that often.

Yeah. I think Ford had some kind of, like, company town situations. But but, yeah, Disney World is it's literally its name.

I'm Walt Disney. This is my world. Yeah. I've gone from land to world. They got, like, incorporated as a city and got tax exemption, which was like a whole was a was a big deal. Yeah. I've been to Disney World probably 10 times.

Yeah. Maybe more than maybe more than 10, but at least 10 times. Because Cape Canaveral is right that by Disney

So when I'd have the kids, then I would my older kids, and I was we're trying to get the rocket launch from Cape Canaveral, then, you know, the thing they'd wanna do is go to Disney World or Harry Potter Land.

I'm sort of tempted to say Space Mountain, I suppose. Yeah. Probably Space Mountain. I mean, I I do think Space Mountain needs an upgrade.

The it doesn't look quite as sci fi as it used to. You know, it's it's like it's like the day before yesterday is tomorrow, which is still yesterday.

Generally, kids are the most fun between five and 10.

The concept of good wouldn't exist without humanity. I think I do think humanity is, on balance, good. You know, I I generally think, like, increasing the amount of consciousness in the universe is a good thing. Try to try to understand the nature of the universe, which you can only do by increasing the increasing conscious awareness. I mean, I have thought about, like, how how did we get here? Because if we did start out as a hydrogen gas cloud that that sort of condensed and then formed stars, and then these stars exploded, and then they recondensed, formed stars again, and then exploded again. And then eventually, you get to us, thirteen point eight billion years later. And one of the interesting questions to think about is, how many times have your atoms been at the center of a star? I think it's like, on average, three or four times, something like that. Then how many times will your atoms be at the center of a star? Estimates vary, but it seems like we're roughly halfway. So your your atoms are likely to be at the center of the star maybe another four times or something like that. It's it's it depends on what your predictions are for the future. But in terms of existence as measured by the number of times your atoms will be at the center of a star, we seem to be roughly halfway. That really you know, if you wanna look at the big picture, that's the really big picture.

What's one adventure that's made us worse?

Maybe short form video. It seems to be rotting people's brains.

I hope I hope never gets invented?

Well, I mean, obviously, hope, like, that people don't invent a virus that can kill all humans. Like, that's an obvious thing. Yeah. I mean, yeah, generally, I hope inventions that destroy consciousness are not invented. I think the future's gonna look very interesting. So I I it's I do have this theory about the the predicting the future, which is that the most interesting outcome is the most likely, which if simulation theory is accurate, makes sense because if anyone is simulating a wide range of futures, they're going to stop the simulation when it gets boring. Because this is what we do in our reality. So if SpaceX is doing or Tesla doing simulations to understand how a car would work or robot or spaceship or something like that. We'd we'd run all these simulations in the computer. And the simulations that we we pay attention to are the ones that would that are the most interesting. Like, the the simulation where everything goes right on the rocket, we actually don't pay attention to because that's that's not a the everything goes right simulation is is fine. So we we actually test the, you know, the when when we simulate the the rocket flight, we'll actually test all sorts of oddball situations. But we don't test it we we don't have the simulation be totally wrong because, I mean, like, if the rocket just explodes immediately, that's not not also not interesting. So it's it's like you'd you'd need to find the the envelope of possible flight paths where the rocket can make it to orbit and without exploding. And then you you find those boundaries. And then when you launch the actual rocket, you try you make sure it stays within those boundaries. Or another way to think of it is, like, we we could be an alien Netflix series. And that that series is only gonna get continued if our ratings are good.

Yeah. K. But but you can think of it, like, a Darwinian standpoint applied if if if you apply Darwin to simulation theory, then the only the most interesting simulations will continue. Therefore, the most interesting outcome is most likely because the it's either that or annihilation. So really, have one goal, keep it interesting.

Well, social media makes people more performative. By the same token, you you you get more real live video of of things that that are actually happening. And and anything that is very interesting will spared will will go viral on the Internet. So so you have both. You've got more performative or people are doing anything they can to get a few more views on their TikTok video or whatever or their reels or maybe on their expos or something. And so that's very performative. But then you also see real life videos that are that challenge the narrative, but are nonetheless real.

I don't really think about it that much. I mean, there's, you know, country of origin we have to be a little careful about this. You you can actually technically, you know, just specify your region. Like, you can say I'm in Asia or something like that, which is quite big. It but but it does make it a little harder that if somebody is trying to pretend that they're, say, a member of the American public or in Europe or Africa, wherever, if if they're you know, if everything about their account is from a different continent than they are pretending to be from, it's gets a little harder to pretend. We don't wanna dox people, but we kinda think you're not really doxing someone if you say which continent they're from.

Yeah.

It's a it's a false dichotomy. I I I think I'd say guarantee Earth. Earth's much better than Mars, to be clear. Mars but Mars is just our best option if we wanna become a multi planet species. It's really our our our only option if you wanna become a multi planet species. You got Mars, which is very difficult, but not impossible. Earth is much better than Mars, but, you know, we can't I think it was Tsiolkovsky or I think he said, you know, Earth is the cradle of civilization, but we can't stay in the cradle forever.

I think it would depend on which Marvel superhero or which Bond villain. I suppose I'd rather be a Marvel superhero. They did they did model Iron Man in the movies after me.

Yes. That's pretty cool. Yeah. Robert Downey Jr. And and Favreau met with me to toured SpaceX and stuff. So and in fact, Iron Man two, a large part of the movie is filmed in SpaceX. Really? Yes. If you look at if you watch Iron Man two, you'll see that the SpaceX factory is is their actual background.

Yeah. It was cool. We had Scarlett Johansson doing martial arts in the lobby, actually. Yeah. And and you expect me to believe this is all real?

Exactly. What are the odds? Yeah. I mean, if you were me

Would you think this is real or a simulation?

Yeah. And I'm like doing all the side quests and everything.

A doge, probably.

Who came up with these questions?

What do mean? Like like, it's so that with an algorithm means that you basically you only see the people you follow.

Yeah. Yeah. There's the sort of people you follow, and then there's there's a recommendation algorithm. I think probably in December, we'll finally have a half decent recommendation algorithm.

Recently. Yeah. Yeah. So it really just trying to show people stuff they'd be interested in. But there's an enormous amount of AI horsepower being applied to this, where Grok, per thing, is reading all all is gonna read all 100,000,000 posts per day, which is a

Hopefully, it doesn't destroy its mind or something. Yeah. Yeah. It does take a lot of compute. Like most most posts are there's a lot of spam scam stuff, so it just that can be easily discarded, suppose. But then you've got to take, you know, a 100,000,000 pieces of content, match that to, I don't know, sometimes three or 400,000,000 people per day. So that's a lot of matching.

Well, we we really are kind of the the this is just the beginning kind of thing. The what I mentioned, the Grock reading everything and recommending any given thing to anyone should go live in December. So that the the acid test for this is, are you seeing content like, are you seeing content that you find really interesting from accounts you've never seen before? If if you if that's happening, then then the algorithm is working. Like, it should be possible for somebody to put to post content as a new user with no followers. And if that content is is excellent, it gets seen by a lot of people. So can an account with a small number of followers or a new account if if if the content is intrinsically excellent, can that content be seen by a lot of people? That's our goal.

Actually, those things are almost the same thing, in that you you can't break the speed of light without breaking reality. And you, you know, so if if you could teleport somewhere instantly if you're talking about teleportation faster than the speed of light, presumably it would be, then then that that that would break our reality as with time travel. Unless it was a very important conditional here. Unless we are a simulation. Time travel does not break a simulation.

The I think well, people do tend to get wrapped up in knots with the time travel thing because they they try to simultaneously say something must be logically consistent, but logically inconsistent. That's impossible. But if you think about like a video game and say, you've got various saved games, and you can go back and restore a saved game from a prior start point. You still have your other saved games, and there are many games going on in parallel. They don't have to be consistent with each other. That's that's that's a that that is a it's a false assumption if we're a simulation. We we might be somebody's video game or TV show or something like that. Like I said, we're just gonna keep it interesting so they don't turn the computer off. What do you want I'm just saying, if that's true, keep it interesting or they can turn off the computer. And they might please don't delete us. Control us. Please don't delete us. Please don't delete us. We'll keep it interesting, I swear.

Yeah. So if the most interesting outcome is the most likely, what do you think are the most interesting things that can occur? Now, interesting is not what you want. It's just as viewed by a third party. Let's say you this was, for argument's sake, a an alien Netflix series, and you're trying to maximize your viewership, you know, maximize your ratings. It's it's actually an interesting thought experiment. It's it's like, it it's not actually not that interesting if everything just blows up. It's not as over. That's not that interesting. It's not that interesting if there's a if there's a calamity that wipes out all the humans. The show just ended. But, I mean, fortunately and unfortunately, if there is drama that like war or something like that, that that is interesting. And people will go to movies and watch, say, a World War one movie where people are getting blown up from cannon shells, and they're in the movie theater eating popcorn, drinking a soda. Like, you you wouldn't go to a movie where everything was just perfect and saved that way. You'd leave you'd leave the theater.

There's always a story arc. There's always an arc. And it's it's generally not a linear arc. So it's it's not gonna be like, things start here and just go straight up into the right and end up in a good place or something like that. There's usually ups and downs. You know, the classic sort of story arcs, essentially. You know, act one, act two, act three. You have an initial rise in act two, pull back in act initial rise in act one, pull down in act two, surge back in in act three with, you know, happy ending if it's a comedy or a sad ending if it's a drama. If you look at president Trump's, you know, story. It's more interesting that he lost this the intermediate term and then won, you know, his his second term after that. Mhmm. Just like the story arc. Initially up, then down, then resurgent resurgent again. If if you went with my theory that the most interesting outcome is the most likely, then that was the most likely outcome. It was inevitable.

I am Irony Man. Something like that. I'm I'm paraphrasing. What am I watching? Actually, right now, I'm watching Teenage Mutant Ninja Turtles, the TV series. Turtles and a Half Show, Total Power. Yeah. Because little x wants to watch that. I I I'm watching things that the kids kids wanna watch. We watched Dodgeball last night.

Yeah. If you can dodge a wrench, can dodge a ball. If you can dodge a wrench, you can dodge a ball. What? Yeah. High motivation to dodge if somebody's loving Reg is at you.

The Final Countdown by Europa.

What's the goal?

If it's a simple thing, I'll wing it. If it's a complex thing, I'll look at the instructions.

Well, I did I did originally come to North America with, like, I don't know, $2,500 Canadian, so I don't know, maybe $2 US. One bag of books and one bag of clothes in Montreal at age 17. So that is how I started out. At this point, I have a lot of knowledge. A lot of things have to go wrong for that to be the case. It's like, am I just emerging from prison perhaps? With a stipend? Will my company's been confiscated? I mean, it it would take Armageddon, which hopefully that doesn't happen. Like Ragnarok next level, and I lost. Yeah. What the hell?

I mean, it's impossible for me for someone to have that amount of know the the all the knowledge that I have, and then be dropped down to a low resource amount? The because the reality is that either something truly catastrophic has happened, like civilization has melted, or I will be able to ask people to just give me money, and with the promise that I will have a high return, which is what I'm able to do right now. Yeah. Like, if you give me a dollar, you will get back much more than a dollar. Yes. So this is it's it's somewhat of an impossible dichotomy because civilization would have had to have been destroyed or something. In which case, a thousand dollars is not gonna solve your problems. You know, you can't do much with us. If if you're if you're wandering around radioactive creators and you're in, like, you know, fallout or whatever, then a thousand dollars is not gonna solve anything. And if civilization hasn't melted, then it could probably just toll people into giving me money, which I've done before.

I don't know if that's all that random, but I'd like to play write video games or something like that. I I did that one point. I like solving problems, so I like building things. I've built a lot of things. Like a lot.

Well, these days, I start off with a breakfast of steak and eggs and coffee. And then dinner tends to vary. I usually don't have lunch, or if I do, it's something very small. And then dinner, depending on whether it's social or not, will vary in cuisine. I like a wide range of cuisine.

American food is my favorite food.

Yeah. The cheeseburger is probably the if I had to say, like, there's only one thing you can ever have for the rest of time, which admittedly would be a bit monotonous, but it would probably be a cheeseburger. Because cheeseburgers are amazing. It's a genius invention. I'll tell you a funny story about when I was living in LA, and I took my older boys out for lunch to Sugarfish, which is a very kind of uptight sushi restaurant. In fact, it's at at the on the menu of of the restaurant, says, do not ask for soy sauce because the chef has put the right amount of soy soy sauce and you can't have any more. And if the chef doesn't think you should have soy sauce, you can't have soy sauce. That's what it says on the menu, basically. So, like, extremely strict sushi restaurant. And so the waiter is going around asking everyone what they want, and then it comes to Saxon, and Saxon says, I'll have a cheeseburger. And the waiter is like takes a moment for the waiter to recover because no one's ever asked for a cheeseburger at this, you know, very strict sushi restaurant. Took him like thirty seconds to realize he'd just been asked for a cheeseburger because you're not even allowed to ask for soy sauce. So so then, when he finally recovered, he said, we don't have cheeseburgers. And Saxon Saxon goes at the top of his voice, what? Like, what kind of restaurant doesn't have cheeseburgers? And he says, fine. I'll have a hamburger. I don't know what you got against dairy, but, you know, don't have hamburgers either.

Yeah. But he was nonplussed. It's like, can't believe this place doesn't have cheeseburger. So so yeah. I mean, I like I guess I like barbecue, which is good because I'm here in Austin. I mean, if it's if it's if it's haute cuisine, I like French food as well, but not every day, you know, once in a while.

I guess the emoji I use the most, is the laughing emoji.

Or maybe Shakespeare, Ben Franklin, Nikola Tesla. I mean, there's there's actually a lot of people I'd like to I would have liked to talk to. And we'll we'll eat, I guess, whatever they'd like. I think if if if you're gonna if this is a once in a lifetime thing, think you'd wanna have some epic, you know, 12 course meal or something like that.

Yeah. There's some yeah. Don't wanna go all out for that dinner, I think. You're probably not gonna serve cheeseburgers. Unless they want it. Yeah. Maybe one of the courses could be like a tiny cheeseburger.

No. But they could. It's just they don't try. There's nothing you could make a tiny cheeseburger taste just as good as a big cheeseburger, if you try it.

Rare, but yes.

1% of the time.

But usually, it's too much bread and it's dry.

Yeah.

Yeah. Right. But could you make a tiny cheeseburger that's good? Of course. Like, you're not breaking, you know, like, getting a Nobel Prize for this. You know? You can definitely make a tiny cheeseburger. It's, like, physically possible, I'm saying. It's just rare.

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